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« on: December 20, 2010, 11:42:25 AM »

There were so many comments as to how badly I played during the Monte Carlo deep stack that I thought I would drop you my thoughts. I’ll quickly answer some of the comments then I’ll give you my insight into why I open folded ace king pre flop. Firstly to the newbie who said his experience of me at the tables over the weekend was not a pleasant one. You can only be the “young gun” who was three betting everyone with any two cards. So when I raised one off the button with ace 9 and you three bet me. I then smoothed called, when the flop came ace high I was laughing inside because I thought you were so far behind. When you bet and I then pushed all in and you snapped me and flicked over ace king! There was no one more surprised than me. I stood up and started packing me items away. I wished you all good luck and told you “nice hand”

I was clearly surprised and pleased (but didn’t show it) when I spiked a 9 on the river for two pair against your paired ace king. Now at this point I just sat down, my only words were “unlucky big fella” then I started to stack my chips. It was at this juncture that you started to tell me how good my pre flop call was! Yeah well being old school if I had put you on anything but rags I would have folded pre flop. I read it badly and got lucky. So as I said at the table if you can’t take the out draws then don’t play poker. You started on me not me on you and for someone that who is clearly id for the minimum age whenever they walk into a pub, don’t criticise other players when you get unlucky. Get your head down and keep grinding.

To all those experts that pointed out how badly I played and all the many holes in my game, I thank you for all the time and effort you put into trying to correct my game. I have taken on all your opinions and would love to have one to one training from you guys. You all probably know who I am. I used to work the bar for a period of time at DTD. So don’t be shy when you next see me in their pull up a chair on the cash table tell me how badly I played, put some chips down and show me were and how I can improve my game. All help and constructive advice is very much appreciated.

To all of you that gave me kind thoughts and good wishes on here and DTD I thank you. For the whole three days I played tight solid poker and your genuine words of encouragement where and are very much appreciated. In the whole three days I got my chips in bad 3 times and only once for my whole stack. And yes I got lucky but who doesn’t in a three day event. But hey who is perfect.

To “tight end” thank you for pointing out that I will only get “aces” every 220 hands, I can now stop folding every hand and waiting for aces because I’m hardly going to see them! I must have been some luck box to make the final table of a three day event with a peaking chip stack of 1.6 mill in chips just waiting for aces and getting paid when I have them.

I’ll judge my game on all your hero’s game. Simon Deadmen. Now I want to say before I bench mark myself  against Simon, that he is a lovely guy, with a very good game but does in my view run golden, in fact it was me that started calling him Simon “golden” Deadmen. You will see when we were down to two tables and we were on the TV table that on every single hand we played with the exception of one I out played him with air. You’ll be surprise that I didn’t have ace’s every hand, in fact I played the player and my table image that was in his mind set from the end of day two when I joined his table and sat with 200k and finished the day with 650k was my edge. If you all think you can final table in a three day event just by playing cards when they hit, then maybe it should be me looking at your game not you mine. But again Simon I think you are a lovely guy and we both know that your game is clearly better than mine, your results are strong and you will probably go very far in poker, well done you played well little fella but every old dog has his day as they say.

Now to the ace king. “Tight end” if you are going to report on hands then do a better job at detailing the right chip stacks its probably quite import to the players thought process. I had just over 1.2 mill behind when I folded to the all in shove of frazer not 500,000, so my 225,000 re raise to frazer’s bet of 100,000 was not being pot committed. But the truth of the matter is I knew I was in front, the money is important to me, I now have a young family, I wanted 3rd as a minimum really badly. At that point in time Raymond had about 600k and I wanted him to get it all in and finish 4th. Did I play ace king bad, yep, should I have shown it, nope, would I call right here now today in the same situation? for sure. But I can’t turn the clock back. But if I ever get that lucky again in a three day event by waiting for ace’s and make the final four for a 19 bag pay day minimum and I have ace king suited (not ace king off tight end) and the little blind shove’s to my re raise I’ll call.

Good luck at the table’s. Shaun KIng
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 12:03:59 PM »

All that just to confirm it was terrible!

Can you give me my 2 minutes back pls!
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 12:05:51 PM »

Money is important to me as well - that's why I'm not ever folding AK blind on blind at a short-handed final table.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 12:07:56 PM »

Haters gonna hate, play your own game, wp and nice result.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 12:10:33 PM »

Haters gonna hate, play your own game, wp and nice result.

kind of this, but also you haven't really told us anything new - everyone assumed it was to ladder and that's what you've just said.

I think people were surprised that if you were just trying to ladder, why would you show the AK?
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2010, 12:12:39 PM »

Well played and super result but could you change the title to "I, Shaun King......" or it looks like you've started talking about yourself in the 3rd person.

nirvana would never do that
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 12:14:12 PM »

Chompy agrees.

Nice result sir but the fact is you folded AK pre. Just no.
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2010, 12:16:11 PM »

tl;dr
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 12:19:04 PM »

Hi Shauny,

I was wincing with embarrassment at the abuse & mocking you were getting m8, but it's the nature of Forum users these days I'm afraid. Peer pressure & all that means they are scared to swim against the tide & make the pretty obvious case. They would be a little more polite & circumspect to your face, rest assured.

It was obvious what your (non-optimal, imo) plan was to anyone who gave it a seconds thought. I play that hand different, almost all of us do. But you cashed for the fat end of £20k, & most of those mocking never have & never will.

Play the game any way you want buddy, & ignore the smart alecs on the rail. You have no need to defend yourself to anyone.

Congrats on a quite splendid cash, & I hope you don't let all the comments put you off Posting more.
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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 12:29:52 PM »

thanks, i'm sure i'll hang around for a while at least!
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2010, 12:33:46 PM »

Peer pressure & all that means they are scared to swim against the tide & make the pretty obvious case.

Yes, we're all scared to swim against the tide and say the AK was played well because of peer pressure.

Wtf Tikay!
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2010, 12:38:25 PM »

Great fold and yes I blame Tighty as well
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2010, 12:39:48 PM »


i'm with Shaun on this one, Yes he did play it badly but if he thinks he can ladder for a few £1000's more let him fucking ladder end of the day the £1000 buy in has come from his pocket not yours, If you guys  are so great Please write a book i will defo buy it!
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2010, 12:41:28 PM »

Peer pressure & all that means they are scared to swim against the tide & make the pretty obvious case.

Yes, we're all scared to swim against the tide and say the AK was played well because of peer pressure.

Wtf Tikay!


Misses the point completely Mr A.

It was a shocking pass, no doubt about it. How does that make him an object of derision, just because he does not play the game so well as you & others?

We don't have to tell him he played it well - he did not - but we don't have to make him out to be some sort of dumbass either. He might be a decent guy, but no, he made a bad play so that's it, case closed, he's an idiot.

Were you always as good as you are now? The geezer made a mistake, 100%, but quite why everyone then has to be so rude about him is another matter. Did you never make a mistake at that stage of your poker journey?
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2010, 12:46:47 PM »

Peer pressure & all that means they are scared to swim against the tide & make the pretty obvious case.

Yes, we're all scared to swim against the tide and say the AK was played well because of peer pressure.

Wtf Tikay!


Misses the point completely Mr A.

It was a shocking pass, no doubt about it. How does that make him an object of derision, just because he does not play the game so well as you & others?

We don't have to tell him he played it well - he did not - but we don't have to make him out to be some sort of dumbass either. He might be a decent guy, but no, he made a bad play so that's it, case closed, he's an idiot.

Were you always as good as you are now? The geezer made a mistake, 100%, but quite why everyone then has to be so rude about him is another matter. Did you never make a mistake at that stage of your poker journey?

I understand your point, but it's not like we're going up to the guy saying "ahhh you're shit" or something, the posts were made on an interactive rail thread. It was a particularly terrible fold, I don't see how you don't expect people to comment. No-one was abusive about the fold, derisory yes, but not abusive.

I've made plenty of mistakes in my poker journey, and I've taken plenty of flaming along the way too.
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