Shaun King, Gives his view on playing AK badly at Monte Carlo Final table

[EvilPie]

i would love it if the other guy comes on and says he had AA in that hand

we'll see the cards on the tellybox. AA would be incred

Yeah we can all start ripping in to Fraser then telling him he's shit for shoving 45 bigs effective with AA.

Who cares if he won the whole thing, he played that hand shit and that one isolated hand is all that really matters when it all comes down to it.

[pleno1]

tl;dr,

cliffs: don't 3bet fold AK

[Free_Rollin]

the money is important to me, I now have a young family, I wanted 3rd as a minimum really badly.

Pretty sure when it comes down to it, this is the important point. If the money is important and you wish to ladder, then obviously taking a flip possibly or whatever is not great for you. From that point of view, if you want to fold, then fold. But if you show, people will comment on it like they did at the rail, and also on the interactive update threads. You're just going to have to take their criticism, because most won't know your situation, and how important the money is to you.

Obviously a great result for you, what with christmas round the corner and everything. I'm just not sure I'm used to nice and humble Shaun, compared to the big bad Shaun I used to play with at the Isle.

[kinboshi]

I think mc makes the point best. Nobody is throwing insults at HIM. they are saying it was a very poorly played hand. Also given kings reasoning for the fold it makes the reshove with JTs absolute folley, whether he is trading an image or not!

I would be really interested to hear what his jamming range was at that time. For example, if he was genuinely laddering then what does he do with JJ or QQ?

Congrats on the score btw, and if I ever meet you at the poker table, I will gladly buy you a drink, if you promise to keep folding ace high bvb to me!

From what I know of Shaun's game he doesn't think in terms of jamming ranges and calling ranges. You or I would probably have a specific set of hands for this exact situation against our perceived image of our opponent but Shaun just doesn't work like that.

He plays poker because he enjoys it not because he wants to study the mathematical side of it and work out the EV of a range of hands against an opponents probable range of hands given stack sizes, playing style and view of his playing style. He won't have even considered "playing off an image".

He goes with his gut and his gut said fold.

As for buying him a drink I'm afraid he only plays at DTD. If you ship me $5 on stars I'll get him a fosters on your behalf.

Brilliant Matt

[tikay]

i would love it if the other guy comes on and says he had AA in that hand

we'll see the cards on the tellybox. AA would be incred

Yeah we can all start ripping in to Fraser then telling him he's shit for shoving 45 bigs effective with AA.

Who cares if he won the whole thing, he played that hand shit and that one isolated hand is all that really matters when it all comes down to it.

You're in fine form today, Mr R! Sometimes, just sometimes, I sort of see you as a father figure.

[claypole]

Wp Shaun, I get the money thing too if you have a young family...,you goto play your game - I push in an instant in that position, but it's your choice and you'll alway get a lot of responses on forums.  Tbh, I think alot last night was just driven by loads of emotional support on here for Monda which is all good, everyone wanted him to ladder. 

Wp and a great score

[Horneris]

Good Post Shaun, i've never heard of this Simon Deadman guy though, he isn't "all of our hero". Raymond Norton is mine.

[pleno1]

This was blind on blind, toally different situation to people who are defending the fold because he are 40 deep. Nice, classy post though Shaun and I sincerely hope you and your family have a fantastic Christmas.

[paulhouk03]

Good Post Shaun, i've never heard of this Simon Deadman guy though, he isn't "all of our hero". Raymond Norton is mine.

+1


but i doubt i can fold ak bvb cos im an idiot

[shaun69uk]

Jamie, Alex and Matt thanks for your input. You all make sense, it was a bad fold. Matts last post was spot on regards how I play. "Free Rollin" I don't know who you are, why not post a picture that shows your face? As for the Ricoh... humm you seem pretty hung up by that. The people that have posted that have said you understand, thank you. Those of you that understand but still think I've lost it, thank you I also understand.

For me, I'll play the next 300 deep stack, lets see if lightening can strike twice, you never know, playing by feel might be the new 3 bet!!

[paulhouk03]

Just a thought shaun. If u didn't have a family to look after would u of called?

Btw I wouldn't of folded because I have no responsibilities to looking after a family. My view might change if I had other to think about as the jumps are pretty significant

[Free_Rollin]

It's Sunny, Shaun.

I'm not hung up about anything at all mate. I was just wandering in the updates if it was the same King I used to play with at Ricoh.

We obviously had our differences in the past, but I think holding anything against you would just be stupid and not worth it. As I said in my last post, great result for you. Well done.

[shaun69uk]

I should have called, same spot again, family, hindsite I call. It was just one of those hands I played with a non poker head on for a 3 minute period. I can't justify my poor play. I was just trying to give an insight into what was in my head. And I want all of you to consider this. Charlotte my partner is an ex dealer and she plays a little to. If you think that anything on here on is painfull. You wanna be in my shoes at home.................. she thinks I'm the biggest donk ever!!!

I live and learn, so next time my friend I call.

[shaun69uk]

Wow, Sunny, student Sunny? if so...... buddy sorry I ever pissed you off. I always saw you as a tough player and I've always enjoyed your company. Sorry again big guy.

[Free_Rollin]

Wow, Sunny, student Sunny? if so...... buddy sorry I ever pissed you off. I always saw you as a tough player and I've always enjoyed your company. Sorry again big guy.

Yup student Sunny. No worries mate, I'm sure I'll see you at DTD soon.