99 sb in a turbo

[Ironside]

i havent seen any on bbs hands and i have only shown one hand when i open in lp and got to river with the nut straight and my 75o for a complete dbl up
how do i play flop?

PokerStars Game #54731542742: Tournament #342663584, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (125/250) - 2010/12/23 20:27:44 WET [2010/12/23 15:27:44 ET]
Table '342663584 193' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Ironside (6095 in chips)
Seat 2: Bravro (6735 in chips)
Seat 3: bms71 (3000 in chips)
Seat 4: Toyzione (9805 in chips)
Seat 5: Universo34 (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: beyens (10942 in chips)
Seat 7: cobodeguzman (7860 in chips)
Seat 8: jonge84 (9300 in chips)
Seat 9: Denvin2009 (1410 in chips)
Ironside: posts the ante 30
Bravro: posts the ante 30
bms71: posts the ante 30
Toyzione: posts the ante 30
Universo34: posts the ante 30
beyens: posts the ante 30
cobodeguzman: posts the ante 30
jonge84: posts the ante 30
Denvin2009: posts the ante 30
Ironside: posts small blind 125
Bravro: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
bms71: folds
Toyzione: folds
Universo34: folds
beyens: folds
cobodeguzman: folds
jonge84: folds
Denvin2009: folds
Ironside: raises 350 to 600
Bravro: calls 350
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ironside: bets 1000
Bravro: raises 1500 to 2500

[SuuPRlim]

In the real world people shouldn't really be rasiing this flop at all, should be 3betting AJ pre BvB 20ish bbs affective and shouldn't ever be raise calling KJ or worse, and raising sets is pretty silly as well because your ACTUAL value range is pretty thin + not that vulnerable.

So i'd be bet calling. But its a $4 tourney and I wouldnt be in the slightest bit suprised if he shows up with  or  . So meh bet call seems about right imo   

[NigDawG]

i tend to click the call button in blind vs blind battles a lot

[silverslick]

Without any history on the guy I would be inclined to fold. You have plenty of chips to re-group. He might have a set, a pair of jacks or a straight draw. It is frustrating but let it go and wait for a better spot.

[Ironside]

i folded didnt like it though

[SuuPRlim]

Im sure bet folding is the worst play "technically"

but i wouldnt be suprised if it was the right move on this specific occassion

[GarethW]

at this level check flop is pretty standard. bluff catching at least one bullet is a better line here.

bet folding a hand like 99 is effectively turning it into a bluff

[Ironside]

Im sure bet folding is the worst play "technically"

more than likely was, check fold seemed so week and bet calling seemed like a spew, posted to see if jamming was an option but i figure not as no-one mentioned it yet

[SuuPRlim]

Im sure bet folding is the worst play "technically"

more than likely was, check fold seemed so week and bet calling seemed like a spew, posted to see if jamming was an option but i figure not as no-one mentioned it yet

No I think jamming is an option. and most liekly the right one

[Rupert]

bet folding a hand like 99 is effectively turning it into a bluff

no

check fold seemed so week and bet calling seemed like a spew

consider check calling



we could talk about villain raising polarised or merged ranges on dry boards all day but the fact of the matter is it's a $4 tournament and a ton of worse hands are going to call you when you bet the flop and very few are likely to raise you so bet/folding is absolutely fine even if he is repping a very narrow range some rando in a $4 probs has enough jacks that calling or jamming isn't going to be profitable.  i'd say b/f>c/c>b/c vs unknown $4 reg

[GarethW]

No I think jamming is an option. and most liekly the right one

is this a level?

i'd say b/f>c/c>b/c vs unknown $4 reg

i'd say "such a waste". Good luck with that buddy

[railtard1]

like, its allways going to be an unknown in a 100000 runner $4 turbo on stars. Its not a hand to talk about ranges and how his value range is polarised etc etc etc, i think u either need to bet/call or even c/jam this flop, dont think i hate that too much. C/C flop i actually dislike unless we know exactly what were doing on all turn cards.

[Rupert]

i'd say "such a waste". Good luck with that buddy

you seem to be under the impression that villains options on the flop are fold or raise when raise is actually by far the option he chooses least... unless i've grossly misunderstood your interpretation of this hand?  someone explain to me why b/f here is a waste!

[SuuPRlim]

No I think jamming is an option. and most liekly the right one

is this a level?

lol, no. lets not forget that understand all this we're in a $4 tournament 16bb effective on the flop with wat is basically the nut-low top pair. I fail to see how bet/getting it in can possibly not be considered *1 option.

i'd say "such a waste". Good luck with that buddy

as opposed to what exactly? chk/fold or chk/call chk/call?

I can defo see the argument for bet folding - I prolly wudnt be able to bring myself to do it lol

[GarethW]

lol, no. lets not forget that understand all this we're in a $4 tournament 16bb effective on the flop

effective BB's should only be used to determine if a pre flop shove is +EV or not. As soon as the pot is opened or a flop seen we revert back to regualr BB's and eff BB's no longer applies.  So effective stacks for both players are 20+bb's on the flop. Agree I'm not saying bet get it in isn't an option, just an option to bin off pretty easily vs rando $4 donk fishs. It allows him to play more perfectly and fold weaker and call better. c/c bluff catching at least 1 bullet is a pretty standard line here and it easily outweighs b/f and b/ai imo.

In my experience not many fish would CR that flop as a naked bluff most of the time and I suspect 99 is no good so I'm folding without reads.  If you lead out you allow vil to fold worse inc his bluffs and call with better (not great for a 99 on that flop). If you bet fold and vil is bluffing its a huge error.  If you c/c you keep this OOP pot smaller & keep vills range widest.

Bare in mind any scary turn or overcards should also slow him down, if it doesn't then you can ask yourself if he's FOS and if his flop bet makes sense given the run out of the board and the action??  If he barrels twice on the turn he likely has it but I expect most $4 fish to be checking turn through.