1/2 Cash at the Vic

[cambridgealex]

Playing £450, Villain about £200. I have a fairly loose image but haven't shown anything down except T8o, in a hand where I'd raised pre and checked A85, bet an A turn and got raised, I called, check check brick river, my 8 was good. Villain hasn't done anything of note, seems like he has a bit of game but basically straightforward.

I raise TJ in the CO, SB and BB flat. They check a T54 two tone to me, I bet 13, SB passes, BB raises to 33. Hero??? I called
Turn comes a T, check, I checked.
River an offsuit 9. He bet 50. ?

I seem to often level myself in this spots into thinking that they think im FOS so when i have marginal hands like this I don't know what to do. Line check on all three streets pls...

[GreekStein]

seems fine to me tbh.

I call now.

[skolsuper]

seems fine to me tbh.

I call now.

[George2Loose]

seems fine to me tbh.

I call now.

[cambridgealex]

what range are we putting him on? do we beat ne of his value range here?

[redarmi]

How much you raise preflop??

I know it is exploitable but I probably fold to the c/r on the flop unless I think the villain has moves.  End of the day this is 1-2 live cash.  Turn is fine and I call the river unless I think the villain is really tight.  Think his range is tought to pin down if you are right that you have a loose image and he is a thinking player.  Quite a lot of better tens in his range but also pairs from 66+ and a fair few bluffs with high cards.

[skolsuper]

How much you raise preflop??

I know it is exploitable but I probably fold to the c/r on the flop unless I think the villain has moves.  End of the day this is 1-2 live cash.  Turn is fine and I call the river unless I think the villain is really tight.  Think his range is tought to pin down if you are right that you have a loose image and he is a thinking player.  Quite a lot of better tens in his range but also pairs from 66+ and a fair few bluffs with high cards.

Yeah this too, feels bad to fold the flop here but there are people who I would lol and fold to in DTD in this spot.

[Madone]

does anyone ever put a hand on here that they win?

[George2Loose]

does anyone ever win?

FYP

[cambridgealex]

How much you raise preflop??

I opened to £8 i think.

[cambridgealex]

How much you raise preflop??

I know it is exploitable but I probably fold to the c/r on the flop unless I think the villain has moves.  End of the day this is 1-2 live cash.  Turn is fine and I call the river unless I think the villain is really tight.  Think his range is tought to pin down if you are right that you have a loose image and he is a thinking player.  Quite a lot of better tens in his range but also pairs from 66+ and a fair few bluffs with high cards.

I don't think folding on the flop is bad at all, how do you mean it is exploitable (obviously we're not going to show or tell anyone we folded top pair)? Unless he's shown that he has moves I think I should give him credit and fold the flop. The river the same, we beat none of his value range, he defo checks 88, 77, 66, this bet is either better T's or a house. If we've never seen him show any signs of having a bluffing range at all, then this is a fold on both streets no? what is our default assumption for a 1 2 live cash random? He was middle aged, stacked his chips in 10s () and seemed pretty friendly and recreational. maybe i'm being RO or overly critical and this is a standard cooler. I just wasn't suprised at all when he flipped over 55 :S

[redarmi]

I just meant that if I am routinely bet folding top pair then better players will start checkraising a lot more.  That said I play similar stakes live to you and you can level yourself too much.  In my experience unless players at this level have shown the ability to bluff or make moves then generally when they c/r they have it even on a relatively dry board.  Know what you mean about his range on the river but I think once you have called the flop then getting 13-5 on the river is going to be very hard to fold.  People show up with hands that you beat or get overly funky enough to make the call okay I think but it isn't a standard cooler at these stakes you are probably behind but you beat just enough of his range (overpairs, 66,77.88 that has been persuaded it is good and bluffs) to make it profitable.

[DMorgan]

The flop is a really sucky spot readless 'cos I think it should be a fold but it feels so weak. The thing about calling the flop though is that you really can't do much if he barrels the turn. Even when you turn trips you're checking back the flop, so when we call the flop c/r we're basically hoping that he was bluffing and gives up unless you want to put him on a multi street bluff and hero call which I can't see showing a profit at all vs randoms in a live 1/2 game

Readless I do the same as you but any kind of hint of him being tight/solid then I think we can fold the fold

[pleno1]

bet more on flop?

[GreekStein]

The flop is a really sucky spot readless 'cos I think it should be a fold but it feels so weak. The thing about calling the flop though is that you really can't do much if he barrels the turn. Even when you turn trips you're checking back the flop, so when we call the flop c/r we're basically hoping that he was bluffing and gives up unless you want to put him on a multi street bluff and hero call which I can't see showing a profit at all vs randoms in a live 1/2 game

Readless I do the same as you but any kind of hint of him being tight/solid then I think we can fold the fold

Good post. Kind of sums up my thinking.

May be a weak argument but so many live players do dumb shit like raise 66-99 here or A5 etc (for information) as well as making bluffs on a board we've rarely smacked with hands they've whiffed too.