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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2010, 10:02:55 PM »

only read title.

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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2010, 10:04:09 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2010, 10:05:19 PM »

I'm alot paler than that! innit.


And i've changed the thread title for you you big ghay.
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2010, 10:05:52 PM »

hmm he could well have a couple more flushes there. seems a bit shallow for a river jam tbh
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2010, 10:07:55 PM »

Am I a tourny donk!?

yes.

didnt read anything else

oh god, I think you specifically will LOVE the line I took on the river. even if it's not the most optimal

we click it back, pls lets click it back!
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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2010, 10:10:00 PM »

hmm he could well have a couple more flushes there. seems a bit shallow for a river jam tbh

Am I right in assuming that without me saying there is a donky in the blinds or something that he never has 67s, 45, and that there aren't many flushes in his range except the KJcc because of his preflop range? I don't see how he ever bets turn and river with KQ.  He's deffo betting river with 44/55/AK/AQ.  I felt like it was a dirtyly close spot but that both shove and fold were both 'good' options.
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2010, 10:11:21 PM »

Am I a tourny donk!?

yes.

didnt read anything else

oh god, I think you specifically will LOVE the line I took on the river. even if it's not the most optimal

we click it back, pls lets click it back!


nah mate I went next level, thought fk this I play street poker, lets up my game and start using the chat box
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2010, 10:46:00 PM »

Jam river, looks like AJcc/ATcc then.

I thought about it, it's 1503 more into about 4k if I do jam, he folds 44/55 if we jam ?

edit with us having the , and so few combos of the flush in his range assuming he has a tight opening range in EP (which I think is a good/obvious assumption). jamming is better than folding the river once we get here like this, if he bet calls he has KJcc ftw?

Im just messing really, i'd never try and make someone fold 2pair here because well..... they usually  don't fold unless your alot deeper. Its almost certainly a fold, but i doubt i'd make it gametime.

That said i reckon he has a flush a tiny % of the time here, only 2 combo's id consider being KJcc JTcc. Its the ol AK most the time.
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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2010, 11:14:16 PM »

I probably reraise the turn but as played I think I call and then kick myself for it so I guess it is a fold....
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2010, 11:32:06 PM »

I thought that he's not v betting worse here, I couldn't really see any combos of bluffs. Though as you say that there are max 2 combos of frush if he even opens either of them UTG+2. I just wasn't sure if we had enough to make him fold out his 44/55/AK/AQ combos, he'd be getting 3:1 if I jam I think. Maths is hard.

I ended up going with timebank, say in chat:

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sigh fold.  bad beat yawn

I don't think I like raising turn either.
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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2010, 12:11:22 AM »

no value in jamming
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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2010, 12:13:33 AM »

whats his SN? if you are a random to him best case looks to be a chop, he like never has worse two pairs

so you dont bet fold 2 pr on that board? at your level of thinking?

thought there was a very similar thread to this earlier in the year where all the gurus said that this type of 2 pr hand was a bet fold rather than ck call

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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2010, 01:20:18 AM »

no value in jamming

as i understood it these clowns were entertaining the idea of bluff shoving, something which i don't actually mind but here we are too shallow to make him realistically fold the hands we want him to fold imo

whats his SN? if you are a random to him best case looks to be a chop, he like never has worse two pairs

so you dont bet fold 2 pr on that board? at your level of thinking?

thought there was a very similar thread to this earlier in the year where all the gurus said that this type of 2 pr hand was a bet fold rather than ck call



its not about the river though, its mostly preflop dictating that he cannot have a worse two pair

A4/A5/Q5/Q4/54 all get folded pre

a lot of regs are folding KQo from his position pre antes also

whilst i think he would open KQs, the is in our hand, the is on board, and the rivers, leaving only one combo   .... would he bet KQ on that turn after his flop cbet gets called, and would he then bet river too?  


the guy is a decent winner over a large sample of relatively high buy ins. usually pre ante in a $50 f/o he is going to be keeping it simple.
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« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2010, 01:23:31 AM »

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« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2010, 03:06:55 AM »

didnt read thread u played it well if u folded the river doubt most multitabling regs ever gonna be straight up bluffing and no one vbets AJ here
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