River Decision v Defend Triple Barrell

[badhaircut]

Hero has decided to play some deepstack low limit nl 6 handed cash (100-250bb) in order to move from rags to riches in a hopefully more sustainable fashion.

Hero has just lost a pot and has forgotten to put auto top up on and therefore has 104 bb stack instead of the usual 250.

Hero is playing tightish for the type of table at 22/14 yet has only played the villain for 16 hands who is playing 45/34

PokerStars Game #55844846857:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2011/01/13 11:29:19 WET [2011/01/13 6:29:19 ET]


Seat 1: spoconyAA ($113.78 in chips)
Seat 2: slyking22 ($58.14 in chips)
Seat 3: Villain ($63.20 in chips)
Seat 5: movemymind ($97.41 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($25.99 in chips)


slyking22: posts small blind $0.10
Villain: posts big blind $0.25
spoconyAA: posts the ante $0.05
slyking22: posts the ante $0.05
Villain: posts the ante $0.05
movemymind: posts the ante $0.05
Hero: posts the ante $0.05

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [ ]
movemymind: folds
Hero: raises $0.50 to $0.75
spoconyAA: folds
slyking22: folds
Villain: calls $0.50

*** FLOP *** [ ]
Villain: bets $1.23
Hero: calls $1.23

*** TURN *** [ ] []
Villain: bets $2.87
Hero: calls $2.87

*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Villain: bets $58.30 and is all-in
Hero:  ?


Aim of thread:

a)   What the hell do I do hear?
b)  What is our opinions on donk bets/ 3 barrel donk bets?
c)  What the hell is villain's range?
d) Are we happy with flop and turn play?


Thank You

xx

[MC]

You're supposed to fold, but I suck at folding in these kind of spots which is why I don't play deepstack cash. 10bbs ftw!

Edit...just realised the shove is for much less than I realised. Maybe calling isn't so tez I dunno.

[redarmi]

I would just fold.  Until you know that someone has the ability to triple barrell a bluff then generally he has you and possibly his hand improved later.  If he is very loose then I suppose his range includes AJ/AT but that is pretty much all you are beating.

[boldie]

Why the flat on the flop? Why the flat on the turn?

IF you had raised on the flop and he had shoved, would you have called? If the answer is yes then this is a call as the board hasn't really changed in any significant way.
If no, then this is a fold.

[badhaircut]

Ok Guys, the real reason I posted this question was because in fact I am villain in this spot and hero is my opponent.

I was wondering what kind of hand that I can play like this for value or for a bluff?

Is this a profitable way to play 66 and/or air?

[boldie]

Ok Guys, the real reason I posted this question was because in fact I am villain in this spot and hero is my opponent.

I was wondering what kind of hand that I can play like this for value or for a bluff?

Is this a profitable way to play 66 and/or air?

Shoving $58 into a $10 pot is never a profitable way to play any hand IMO.

[SuuPRlim]

he's shoving ~$21 into $10.35 so it's not the biggest overbet we've ever seen

I imagine that ur logic is to polarise yourself in the villain's eyes to basically AQ/66 or air? In this instance he needs you to be bluffing ~45% of the time and Im pretty that a)you're not bluffing 45% of the time when you do this, and that b)villain prolly wont know/care about that and beat you into the pot with any decent Ace

So yeah prolly is a decent line to take in vacuum's like this one, but a terrible line for a bluff in these games, and theoretically a play like this has to be well balanced so should prolly avoid in general

In this instance nh if you have 66/AQ/A6 spewy if your bluffing

[boldie]

he's shoving ~$21 into $10.35 so it's not the biggest overbet we've ever seen

I imagine that ur logic is to polarise yourself in the villain's eyes to basically AQ/66 or air? In this instance he needs you to be bluffing ~45% of the time and Im pretty that a)you're not bluffing 45% of the time when you do this, and that b)villain prolly wont know/care about that and beat you into the pot with any decent Ace

So yeah prolly is a decent line to take in vacuum's like this one, but a terrible line for a bluff in these games, and theoretically a play like this has to be well balanced so should prolly avoid in general

In this instance nh if you have 66/AQ/A6 spewy if your bluffing

Doh! One of these days I'll read stack sizes properly.

[Rupert]

It's pretty apparent villain has an ace once he calls twice and you can't reasonably expect even the best NL50 regs to be capable of folding top pair so I hate your jam.  You should base your game around value betting a lot until at least NL400 even if they should be folding.  As the 22/14 yes this is clearly a very trivial river fold with no prior history or read more than 16 hands