.50/1 cash spot w/ flush...

[zerofive]

Hi, I'm pretty new to these boards, so let me know if it's bad etiquette to jump straight into the hand analysis without introducing myself properly around here.

Okay, so live 50p/£1 cash game at Gala with table split pretty evenly between absolute fish, and the good regs cleaning them out.

Villain has seen me showdown once or twice during the session, and I'm playing pretty tight. Villain here is imo a very good player, £1/£2 winning reg at Dusk, and if I'm honest I'd tightened up to avoid this player specifically, but I have immediate position on him if we do tangle.

I started this hand with £500 or so, and villain with £350 ish.

Folded to villain in hijack, raises to £5. I find in the cutoff and make it £17. The blinds fold, and villain calls.

Flop and he donks into me for £21. I feel like his donk betting range is 44/66-TT, flush draws, and airballs. I elect to flat here?

Turn so bink flush, but not gin. Villain leads for £55. Considered clicking it back for value and to help assign range, but flat called again so as to not bloat the pot.

River , effectively a brick. Villain checks. Have seen villain c/r rivers with moderate frequency, feel like my hand might be face up and don't want to tangle with a stack of his size w/out confidence, and make the nittiest check behind ever. Should I be doing anything different here? Are my reasons for playing the hand this way valid, or have I just turned into a massive nit?

I showdown the hand, and get a bunch of rubdowns, so if you could all take it easy when berating me for my obv scared line pls...

[titaniumbean]

[zerofive]

sigh...

[SuperJez]

Bet/fold the river I think, you played it ok up till the end, its a weak check on the river tho but he can defo have a FH here if he is tricky.

[titaniumbean]

How often does villain lead out in general that you've seen and with what hand strengths?

How often do you play pots together, how often do you 3 bet him and everyone else?

What range of hands do you think he is raise calling?
Why do you think that his leading range is super strong and includes hands like med pairs that would seem to be asking a question with a lead?

if the players behind you are weaker why are you re-raising the solid player if when we have position  we're trying not to use it? Is there not more merit to flatting pre with a nut drawy hand that can smash some frops and include some fishies in the pot.

The river is pretty ridic, did we peel flop just hoping to turn a flush that didn't pair board or to have a good player check and wave the white flag? There is no way in hell that we can be checking back the river here, you would have to be intensely scared of being c/r have not enough reasons to call + be under rolled for the games.

IF he knows you and knows you might find it hard to b/c a big river c/r then in some sick ways you should be more inclined to bet call rather than bet fold the river. As played though you have to be betting the river.

Remember he still has to have the narrow range of hands that can c/r this river that you lose to, i'm sure a much larger % of the time he will give up pretty quick on the river.

Considering the turn reduces the combos of hands that lead on the flop that we lose to can you not see any hands or any way for this hand to play out where you win chips?


Once you check back this river click stand, and sit out next hand don't even wait for the BB.

[zerofive]

Thanks for the reply Andy.

Villain and I have not played many pots together at these stakes. But I have muchos hand histories on him having dealt to him for a while.

I was asking myself a couple of these questions when I woke up today and was refreshed. Possibly at a 5BI stack, had maybe thrown in the towel and didn't fancy losing a bit pot that late in procedings. Obv terrible reason, and should have probably been sitting out at this point. Possibly wasn't thinking as clearly as I would have been earlier in the night.

Did strongly consider betting river to induce spaz checkraise.

And in hindsight, not sure why I chose to isolate the pot. I guess my selective memory won't allow me to flat and lose a small pot with one pair versus fish's T3 two pair combo.

Conclusion is I pure levelled myself in a pretty obvious value spot. Any thoughts on the flop or turn play?

TY for your post.

[stato_1]

Firstly I think preflop, flop and turn are all good/standard. On river I'm definitely betting, calling a shove or not depends on how likely you think the villain is to bluff in this spot i guess. Fwiw the way you have played your hand looks more like some sort of weak made hand probably with a picked up FD on turn so I would say its unlikely villain would check river to you with a full house here as it gives you free range to check back a lot of those sort of hands.

[SuuPRlim]

the big question for the river IMO is if you're tight preflop then your perceived range is made up mostly of hands that bluff catch on this flop,  /  /  etc rest of it most likely is decent flushes - altho with the  on board takes away a lot of flush combo's you can have - and there is no way we're floated twice with a shit ton of equity so why on earth would villain EVER chk a full house to us on the end when our range is majority bluff catcher 1p hands and flushes?

THE ONLY reason would be for him to put us specifically on a flush and be intending to c/r for value, but with the out it leaves so few flush combo's i dont think he'd ever do that

flop/turn seem stnd
agree with titben r.e pre but would defo 3bet a lot of the time as well

[titaniumbean]

I don't see how for this hero 3 betting pre is best if the rest of the streets can go this tits up.

Hence most likely the best play is to flat pre and play a multiway pot with AQ of blue and flop the nizzles.

Obv I likes 3 betting and making 5 blue is happyiness but if we're sitting in this game this deep we've got to be willing to put the money in especially when our hand doesn't neccessarily look like what it is and if there is the chance to pick up a tonne of money from someone who is capable of c/r bluffing the river.

[The Camel]

I check about 100% of the time in the villains shoes with 44 66 or KK on the river in this spot.

[Rupert]

Even if he is deceptive enough to check a boat on the river he's still probably not going to be c/r bluffing enough or capable of turning his TP type hands into bluffs so I think we can fairly safely bet/fold without any further info (live tells!).  I'd bet fairly big and expect a K to have a tough time folding.  Checking behind is clearly a mistake here, there's tons of worse shit he calls you with mostly Kx and 6x.  Rest of hand is fine, preflop is probably closer than most people think given what I expect of how you're playing (rarely if ever 3 bet bluffing)

[SuperJez]

I check about 100% of the time in the villains shoes with 44 66 or KK on the river in this spot.

I agree, I think if you are check raised on this river the most likely hand for villian is KK.

[titaniumbean]

I check about 100% of the time in the villains shoes with 44 66 or KK on the river in this spot.

I agree, I think if you are check raised on this river the most likely hand for villian is KK.

We still have to be check raised, what percentage would you reckon you'll get check raises compared to check ...something else?

[AlexMartin]

head explode. bet snapppppppppppppp.

[SuuPRlim]

I check about 100% of the time in the villains shoes with 44 66 or KK on the river in this spot.

you not think hero chks back way way to often

head explode. bet snapppppppppppppp.

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