Andy Gray Sacked

[Acidmouse]

A lot of people need to get a life then...as they will spend most of their waking life being offended..

I think their is a huge difference between making jokes privately to asking someone to tuck you bits in for them infront of work collegues? or am I mad here?

Then she should report him there and then..and he can be disciplined accordingly...losing your livelihood over it seems a bit Draconian..that's why you have warnings...obviously she was a lot less offended than some others..

It's irrelevent what her actions were after it happened. It's also irrelevent how offended she may have been. I have outlined above why she may not have said something.

[the sicilian]

As for the other incident just lol..the woman just brushed it off as usual soppy old cock being cheeky.. if he'd been a fit young bloke she'd be lapping it up... and lets face it she has used her looks and sexuality to get the job in the first place..double standards as usual.

If she had made a fuss about it what would have happened? its like the whistle blowers they get more crap for reporting something than the person who did it. Gray was an established star on the channel, she thought it was most probably not worth it and would have had a negative effect on her and her career at the channel. No one likes to grass (unless its done anon like it seems was done to Gray).

The women I know wouldn't 'lap' anything up from work colleagues suggesting they tuck their bits in for them however 'fit' or 'age' the man was. If someone said that to my wife or Mum they would get a slap end of. Its easy to laugh it off but in any company that's a sacking offence and rightly so, I dint see what the fuss over this was, it is cut and dry. Gray most probably got away with this type of behaviour for a long time and people accepted it as a joke, but I can guarantee most didn't find it funny especially the people it was directed at.

So what your saying is that this girl is actually intelligent enough and adult enough to take the situation at face value and that its some old Pratt trying to be funny, and that she has the right, because we live in a society where she has the right if she so chooses, to make a complaint and point out that she does not find his behaviour acceptable.... however your answer is to invoke violence as an answer...
 So making cheap innuendo is not acceptable but slapping someone is? 

I think your moral compass is slightly off centre...

[outragous76]

It doesn't matter whether she was offended?

So let's say she wasn't, hypothetically, and the 15 seconds we saw was the end of 20 minutes of hearty banter within a successful well gelled team, and thats what makes them tick.

Then HR get hold of the tape and discipline him for it?

That is what you would expect is it? Because the joke as a stand alone is still sexist, aggressive, belittling is it not?

[Graham C]

Richard Keys on Talk Sport in about 10 mins

[Bongo]

It doesn't matter whether she was offended?

So let's say she wasn't, hypothetically, and the 15 seconds we saw was the end of 20 minutes of hearty banter within a successful well gelled team, and thats what makes them tick.

Then HR get hold of the tape and discipline him for it?

That is what you would expect is it? Because the joke as a stand alone is still sexist, aggressive, belittling is it not?

Presumably the people making the actual judgement could see the 'joke' in context and make that decision.

If they had made a load of racist comments and no one there had been offended would that be ok?

[the sicilian]

It doesn't matter whether she was offended?

So let's say she wasn't, hypothetically, and the 15 seconds we saw was the end of 20 minutes of hearty banter within a successful well gelled team, and that's what makes them tick.

Then HR get hold of the tape and discipline him for it?

That is what you would expect is it? Because the joke as a stand alone is still sexist, aggressive, belittling is it not?

I think we agree that it is not acceptable...however there is such a thing as context..... Do we think this is a straight sacking offense or is this in the office and warning type of thing... cmon we all make mistakes..we all say things we shouldn't but to lose your livelihood over it seems a little drastic.. say this was a normal guy with kids and a mortgage..is it fair who should lose his living ?

[Bongo]

I think it's a case that he made so much cash because he was on telly and he's been sacked for this because he was on telly.

[the sicilian]

I think it's a case that he made so much cash because he was on telly and he's been sacked for this because he was on telly.

It does stink a bit, think sky have orchestrated this... it wasn't like big Ron coming out with it on national TV..this is behind the scenes and off air..and now sky deem it necessary to broadcast for all and sundry.... can you imagine some of the off the air comments from people.... its like having your messenger convo's cut and pasted..obv not meant for general consumption... we are all human beings with our own thoughts and like it or not prejudices... even the most righteous person has nasty thoughts, makes nasty comments and says unacceptable things....

Glass houses and stones comes to mind... every person who has got their knickers twisted about this is guilty of far worse...i guarantee it

[Nico29]

I think it's a case that he made so much cash because he was on telly and he's been sacked for this because he was on telly.

It does stink a bit, think sky have orchestrated this... it wasn't like big Ron coming out with it on national TV..this is behind the scenes and off air..and now sky deem it necessary to broadcast for all and sundry.... can you imagine some of the off the air comments from people.... its like having your messenger convo's cut and pasted..obv not meant for general consumption... we are all human beings with our own thoughts and like it or not prejudices... even the most righteous person has nasty thoughts, makes nasty comments and says unacceptable things....

Glass houses and stones comes to mind... every person who has got their knickers twisted about this is guilty of far worse...i guarantee it

+1

It's like ppl see a bandwagon and have to jump straight on it.

[Acidmouse]

I think your moral compass is slightly off centre...

Sexually harassing someone not good. Slapping someone who did this to your loved one I deem acceptable, although not ideal. Nothing wrong with this way of thinking imo.

I know there is allot we don't know about the actual event, what Outragous says about the context of the event and if the leaked video was taken out of context etc. could give us a more in depth view on it.

I guess Sky have thought about it and took the decision they did based on facts we can only guess on. In the environment we work in today you get sacked for it, wether we think its justified or not.

I know of cases that have gone to court for similar acts...(I know its OTT but its true) I personally think Gray was a little naive at best and someone should have pulled him up over this and told him to be carful in future, there is always someone happy to see you fall on your face.

[Bongo]

I think for Sky it would have been a case of getting it out there before someone else did to minimise the damage caused to their brand.

When you are a public face of a big brand you are going to be expected to uphold higher standards of conduct, he did get paid £2mill a year for that though.

[George2Loose]

Wilkins is booooooooooooring

[the sicilian]

Your not telling me in the last 20 years of sky they haven't got there top presenters recorded off air saying something they shouldn't...... Poor Andy first person to say something wrong and is outed immediatly

[Bongo]

Your not telling me in the last 20 years of sky they haven't got there top presenters recorded off air saying something they shouldn't...... Poor Andy first person to say something wrong and is outed immediatly

Maybe he's the first where someone with a grudge has got hold of a tape? Certainly I can't recall any other incidents...

[Pelham Boy]

Assistant ref Sian Massey is now known as 'Just for men'. Used once and the Gray has gone.