Bottom set deep in live mtt

[Nico29]

yh any flop raise should be an all in agreed me and titface were taking the piss with the "back-raise" comments

If you think he is capable of trying to get UTG off AK/AQ opens his range up to some semi-bluffs he'll be forced to call these off when you jam

Villain never has air here cos he's would never be able to fold to UTG so has to have a hand with equity vs AK/AQ (or ahead) as the whole table prolly thinks thats his likely holding

Nice post, and cheers alex too and every1. Seems bit more lucid now than last night.

Ok so here's what happened on the flop.

Maybe due to utg guy making such a hollywood laydown I was now convinced this player didn't hold an ace and was either holding the dreaded eskimos or some kinda fd which he wldnt let go of.

The latter obv aint a problem, but if the former is such a problem i need to retire for being too nitty, this aint the wsop main event with 90 mins plus levels here, this will become a shoot on day 3.

My live nittyness appeared from nowhere and i spazz decided, lets peel as can reevaluate on the hopefully non club turn.

I say nittyness but i also didn't want him folding an ak type hand, even though i'm contradicting my earlier thoughts, sometimes i really just prefer my online bot mode where my chips wlda been in the middle so quick it's unreal.

So i prolly badly decided that i was still deep enough to lay down on club turns and somehow stack him on others.

The turn brought out the  and i felt mixed feelings. If he had a8 then it's now gg, if he did have that ak then wiiiiiiii.

As the turn peeled the utg opponent, who really shldnt take up acting, decided to almost bang the table in frustration, hello mr aq/ak.

Now i felt i was much more likely to be up against a fd or the 88, if it's the latter i'm going broke.

Check or bet here, and if so how much, i guess any pot sized bet from us is effectively allin with like 14k or so back and just over that in the pot.

Do we check and hope he tries to rep something with his fd, or do we bet like 1/3rd-1/2 the pot and hope he gets stubborn with the nfd?

Thoughts appreciated, and yeah i can kinda see how bad my flop reasoning was, still means i'm less rusty for live donkaments in 2011.

[SuuPRlim]

If i was ever to peel the flop id never be folding

problem now we have too insanely strong ranges colliding and its very hard to try rep a flush draw because if he doesn't have AK/A8/88 then he will prolly have the nfd which take virtually all the air you overcall the flop with out of your range.

id prolly bet ridic small like 25% pot and just try give him a better proce to stack off on the river

[AlexMartin]

i would definitely not bet. check and call any river bet.

[doubleup]

As the turn peeled the utg opponent, who really shldnt take up acting, decided to almost bang the table in frustration, hello mr aq/ak.

lol what a dick - he is still behind anything he was behind to on the flop.

[Nico29]

As the turn peeled the utg opponent, who really shldnt take up acting, decided to almost bang the table in frustration, hello mr aq/ak.

lol what a dick - he is still behind anything he was behind to on the flop.

Cldnt possibly comment...ahem

[BulldozerD]

I'd probably call in position but OOP I probably just jam the flop

[titaniumbean]

Check and don't fold.

if he checks what's the riva?

[redarmi]

i would definitely not bet. check and call any river bet.

This.  Of course 88 and to a lesser degree A8 is in his range but it is a small enough part of it that you are getting stacks off big aces and possibly nut flush draws that aren't thinking properly.  It is a massively profitable spot.  Don't give them a chance to think about what you might have.

[Nico29]

Ok lets wrap this up.

I checked, felt this was the best value decision,I could bet like 1/3 of the pot but i'd rather let him semi bluff again if he's flushing and we can always try and do some business on a non ace or 8 river anyways if he checks behind.

That didn't happen as he immediately jammed like 10k in.

Hated it from the way he put the chips in tbh, he screamed strength and i honestly think based purely on this street in a vacuum allowing for deviating from prev thoughts, decisions and thus numerous spews, we can find a fold here.

Having said that if we call pre, if we ov call on flop, i don't truely think we can now go from saying it's a mouse to oh it's actually a lion, strange metaphor i kno but meh.

I sigh got it in and he showed the a8.

No miracle 3 on river, life don't get that good.

Overall i think jam it in on flop, and pretty much that's the simples of it.

All thoughts so far greatly appreciated, any further thoughts on if a fold can ever be found here even more so.

Does worry me that i can be a touch results based, and discussing hands here can only help.