Live deep 2/5 QQ in 4bet pot river spot

[George2Loose]

I just think that its mighty optimistic to see both of them bluffing here. At the time that the hand played out we already knew that Mitch thought that regfish was bad so why would he ever minraise bluff the end? I've played a bit with this guy too, he always sits deep and he isn't scared money. I just don't see him ever bet/folding the river to Mitchs sizing and we can safely assume that Mitch knows this

If Mitch knows this why is Mitch bluffing?

[DMorgan]

As he said, tilty/spewy attempt to get it through therefore air makes up a tiny %age of his range here

[George2Loose]

As he said, tilty/spewy attempt to get it through therefore air makes up a tiny %age of his range here

If Alex knew Mitch was tilting would u still fold?

[cambridgealex]

As said before, I didn't know Florian wouldnt vbet TT, 99 etc in this spot. I also didn't think he was likely to be bluffing but possibly could be. I thought his range was mostly weaker two pair hands, sometimes trips or houses, and a few bluffs too. I wasn't calling hoping that they were both bluffing.

A few things that I don't want to write on here led me to believe Mitch was bluffing also. I was really confident he was. Even though its a shit spot to bluff I knew he was bluffing even so. This isn't online, with live poker, it's not all about range, bluffing frequencies etc, there are other factors that make up your decisions, reads, tells, gameflow etc. It's interesting that Dave is one of the only people to agree with me and he's played a gizillion hours live whereas the people disagreeing are way more online guys.

[Whollyflush]

I play 30=40hours a month of live cash myself, dismissing people's POV because you suspect there online players and the games play differently isn't always the case. If you saw him twitch or scratch his arse in a particular manner which made you think he was bluffing cool no need to post the hand, but posting information about gameflow/reads etc etc Post hoc is kind of fruitless.

I dunno back in my day the online players used to give the live pro's stick

[cambridgealex]

I play 30=40hours a month of live cash myself, dismissing people's POV because you suspect there online players and the games play differently isn't always the case. If you saw him twitch or scratch his arse in a particular manner which made you think he was bluffing cool no need to post the hand, but posting information about gameflow/reads etc etc Post hoc is kind of fruitless.

I dunno back in my day the online players used to give the live pro's stick

yeh im not posting the hand asking whether or not Mitch could be bluffing, and then saying actually you're all wrong, I knew he was ha. That is obv not what im doing. The crux of the matter was, given that I was 90% sure Mitch was bluffing, is coldcalling the river ok here?

lol onlinepokeraments hehe you guys are still the best. id like to think im a sick mergeeeeeee!

[Mitch]

As he said, tilty/spewy attempt to get it through therefore air makes up a tiny %age of his range here

If Alex knew Mitch was tilting would u still fold?

Ok im gonna change my analysis of my bet to 'very optimistic'.

It wasnt like i was on steaming monkey tilt. Just a bad read by me. (and you  )

[cambridgealex]

bumppppppppp!

[SuuPRlim]

pretty good thread