Deepstack MTT - Miracle river or not?

[paulpitchford]

I hope this reads well as I think this is my first hand post on here.

Live MTT - £20 rebuy (2 day event - Rebuys for day 1). We're into day 2 now. No more rebuys. 90 buyins, rebuys and addons.

20 runners, 17 remain, 5 paid. I know that sounds crazy but it's a social event rather than a casino based event. It does work quite well though.

Blinds 800-1600.

Hero stack 260,000.

Opponent stack 190,000.

2.25mil chips in play. Average stack is ~130,000 but realistically there are a few players over 200,000 and quite a few on less than 90,000.

My image is loose aggressive I would think and I have played most pots at the end of previous day and most on day two as in my eyes I have a perfect seat draw as most of the players to my left are passive tight. They've been peeling flops but not really following it up if they miss. Opponent is fishy, very active, likes calling a lot pre-flop, frequent bluffer from several hands shown. (This is off of Tighty's template and couldn't describe him better lol)

Hero is mid position and raises to 3,800 with , cut off calls and opponent on the button flat calls. He plays every button nearly. Blinds fold.

Flop - (Pot: 13,800)

Hero bets 6,800, cut off folds, button calls.

Turn  -   - (Pot: 27,400)

Hero checks, opponent checks (this threw me).

River - - - (Pot: 27,400)

Hero bets 13,800 (Pot: 41,200). Opponent is all in for around ~160,000 more!!

FWIW I think I'm value betting against a set at this point. As he checked the spade on the turn, I felt like he might be checking a lot for pot control or to see if the board pairs on the river.

Call or fold? What do you make of the play so far and what do you think of the over pot shove by the opponent?

Thanks,

Paul.

[boldie]

Raise pre is fine, flop bet is fine (maybe a bit small TBH but OK)...his check on the turn makes me think he has a made flush more than anything else, when I put that against his river shove.

On the river, well he could have the Ace here and could not as you can only call with 2 cards (the nuts or the K) and odds are you don't have either so for him it's a decent spot to try something like this.

I call here...and then grind my 70k stack back up to average when he flips the Ace

[pleno1]

snap it off.

[cambridgealex]

yeh call vs villain as described. this is definitely a fold pre imo. you say villain never folds his button, why are you raising with K7? Is it because of the players to your left who you think will fold the flop if they miss? I don't like it.

Also, an entire days worth of rebuys?!?! wtf, 2day event with 20runners?! never heard nething so bizarre!

[boldie]

yeh call vs villain as described. this is definitely a fold pre imo. you say villain never folds his button, why are you raising with K7? Is it because of the players to your left who you think will fold the flop if they miss? I don't like it.

Also, an entire days worth of rebuys?!?! wtf, 2day event with 20runners?! never heard nething so bizarre!

sounds great though, doesn't it? an entire day's worth of rebuys?

[cambridgealex]

yeh call vs villain as described. this is definitely a fold pre imo. you say villain never folds his button, why are you raising with K7? Is it because of the players to your left who you think will fold the flop if they miss? I don't like it.

Also, an entire days worth of rebuys?!?! wtf, 2day event with 20runners?! never heard nething so bizarre!

sounds great though, doesn't it? an entire day's worth of rebuys?

haha not so sure...

[SuuPRlim]

snap it off.

[paulpitchford]

yeh call vs villain as described. this is definitely a fold pre imo. you say villain never folds his button, why are you raising with K7?

I have been making lots of these 2.5 x pre flop raises and leading flops and taking them down. For the length this game is running I felt it was profitable due to the fact he was playing very passive tight.

Also, an entire days worth of rebuys?!?! wtf, 2day event with 20runners?! never heard nething so bizarre!

Everyone I speak to about this game questions the viability of it, and probably rightly so. However, it runs lovely (perhaps a little crazy at the start). We really enjoy it and play a similar game in the summer also.

[cambridgealex]

yeh call vs villain as described. this is definitely a fold pre imo. you say villain never folds his button, why are you raising with K7?

I have been making lots of these 2.5 x pre flop raises and leading flops and taking them down. For the length this game is running I felt it was profitable due to the fact he was playing very passive tight.

Also, an entire days worth of rebuys?!?! wtf, 2day event with 20runners?! never heard nething so bizarre!

Everyone I speak to about this game questions the viability of it, and probably rightly so. However, it runs lovely (perhaps a little crazy at the start). We really enjoy it and play a similar game in the summer also.

you said he was very active and a frequent bluffer? now he is passive tight?

[boldie]

yeh call vs villain as described. this is definitely a fold pre imo. you say villain never folds his button, why are you raising with K7? Is it because of the players to your left who you think will fold the flop if they miss? I don't like it.

Also, an entire days worth of rebuys?!?! wtf, 2day event with 20runners?! never heard nething so bizarre!

sounds great though, doesn't it? an entire day's worth of rebuys?

haha not so sure...

Could be expensive, i guess £20 rebuy for an entire day...surprised there aren't more than 90 rebuys and add-ons. what's the starting stack?

[paulpitchford]

you said he was very active and a frequent bluffer? now he is passive tight?

Yeah I suppose this doesn't really make sense. What I mean is that he's been playing pots in position against me as I think he knows that I obviously haven't got a hand all the time. I've been mixing it up against him a bit also though. I haven't bet every single flop so there have been a few spots where I have picked off his bluffs when he seemed to think I'm weak. Not always airballs but 2nd pair and missed draw, A high type bluffs.

Could be expensive, i guess £20 rebuy for an entire day...surprised there aren't more than 90 rebuys and add-ons. what's the starting stack?

25,000 starting stack. Originally we set-up the structure for the social aspect. We wanted to give the players a chance to be in it for the full first day one but also a decent stack so that the rebuys didn't go crazy. If you take off the buyins and addons, there were 50 rebuys over 9.5 hours. Some more than others obviously. On average I think most people had 3-4 buyins. Others needed 6-7. It's also a good way to get players on a smaller budget in. We had a few players that played because they thought they could get away with 2-3 buyins. If we'd have said, "right guys, £150 F/O" we probably wouldn't have gotten the same numbers.

We do a similar event for only 10 in the summer outside and that is £50 rebuys, deepstacked again but outside in the sunshine! As I've said before it's purely for the social aspect but makes a couple of fun and interesting days. I really would recommend it!! Drinking throughout and after is a condition of play!

[baltic_blonde]

On the river, well he could have the Ace here and could not as you can only call with 2 cards (the nuts or the K) and odds are you don't have either so for him it's a decent spot to try something like this.

I call here...and then grind my 70k stack back up to average when he flips the Ace

+1


I am def calling here, firstly because he can't take you out of the game and secondly cos you have a good opportunity to becoming a chip leader and hopefully winning the game:) It's just a cooler if he has 

[boldie]

25k starting stack £20 full day rebuy?..Madness!

Great stuff.

BTW, you called right?

[baltic_blonde]

25k starting stack £20 full day rebuy?..Madness!

Great stuff.

BTW, you called right?

Yeah, let us know what happened?? I hope you took it down:)

[piestack]

not sure about pre
bet more on river, fold to raise. it's not like he is doing this with the js, or bluffing particularly often when shoving imho