UKPIT hand

[George2Loose]

I really did think about folding- I dont like peeling for such a big % if my stack when it may even be 4 way with button to act. As it happens would have worked out pretty perfect but obv not trying to be results orientated

only 1/8th of your chips you nit :p

1/6 actually llildave

[SuuPRlim]

I really did think about folding- I dont like peeling for such a big % if my stack when it may even be 4 way with button to act. As it happens would have worked out pretty perfect but obv not trying to be results orientated

only 1/8th of your chips you nit :p

1/6 actually llildave

Quite Correct. whoops !!

[baltic_blonde]

I'm shoving here with the AK after the initial 3 bet and call. I'm guessing with 8.5k left at this point( after the initial call), you are half the average, and there is a chance
that you can still take the pot down pre-flop, or be racing to go back above average. Also, I find it hard to believe that Dan would call here with AA or KK, as the odds on the pot to call almost make a 4 way pot  inevitable should you/cut off choose not to re-raise...

[MANTIS01]

Not sure the jam looks ridic strong considering the line gets action from JJ.

[outragous76]

Not sure the jam looks ridic strong considering the line gets action from JJ.

we dont want action from jj?

[Rupert]

we dont want action from 22

[outragous76]

we dont want action from 22

we are flipping with juice in the pot having already done 33% of our stack in? not happy to flip?

[Skgv]

I really did think about folding- I dont like peeling for such a big % if my stack when it may even be 4 way with button to act. As it happens would have worked out pretty perfect but obv not trying to be results orientated

good valid statement as i have many times questionsed myself when i make the right play an feel if i did it differantly the outcome would of been differant.

[Rupert]

we'd rather 22 folded than called for sure

[SuuPRlim]

me and Jamie just been chatting about this hand, and one thing Iv overlooked r.e. the pro's for jamming is how much EV we gain by getting this Jam through.

Safe to say this is never a jam fir value, nothing worse ever calls, but if we get both players to fold 77-JJ or a pair and AK even 15-20% of the time I imagine we gain such a significant of EV (too late to do the maths, but thats what id guess) Jam and bank the EV ftw now i've been converted

[SuuPRlim]

we dont want action from 22

we are flipping with juice in the pot having already done 33% of our stack in? not happy to flip?

in a tourney, its much much better to win 3000 chips 100% of the time than 20k 50% of the time, considering that when we loose the 20k pot we are out and have lost £500, which lets say for example is worth  £800 in tourney equity, when we win the 20k pot at this stage our tourney equity certainly doesn't increase by £800 (no offence george this would apply to everyone!)

So, no not really that happy to flip, but the jam is plus EV because we're gonna be 40% vs his calling range and if we have to flip so be it ...

getttt therrrrre

[Rupert]

it's just sklanskys theory of poker! everytime your opponent makes a mistake we gain, if the hands were face up as JJ and AK then your opponent should call which is why we want them to fold obv

[George2Loose]

Do you think me 4 betting to 4400 rather than jamming is a mistake or is it effectivley the same thing?

[Ironside]

I think jamming is so much stronger than the 4400

[Rupert]

i think jamming looks weaker but they pretty much same thing