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« on: February 21, 2011, 01:53:33 PM »

Betting is irrelevant... but it is a sizeable pot

After the river there is a straight on the board and the 2 players in the hand go check/check.

One guy says "straight" the other guy laughs and says "me too" and throws his hand to the dealer expecting the pot to be chopped, the dealer starts splitting the pot and  The guy who said "straight" starts going on about the hand being mucked, which it was - however is the mucking of the hand irrelevant as the guy is playing the board?
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 01:59:30 PM »

Mucked hand is dead. Pot goes to the player who tabled his hand.
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 02:02:42 PM »

Mucked hand is dead. Pot goes to the player who tabled his hand.

yup - you must show your hand to win a pot, lesson hopefully learned by the mucking player.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2011, 02:04:06 PM »

Mucked hand is dead. Pot goes to the player who tabled his hand.

Sigh at enforcing that rule in this situation
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2011, 02:04:48 PM »

Mucked hand is dead. Pot goes to the player who tabled his hand.

Sigh at enforcing that rule in this situation

Well... if a ruling is called for then this is pretty much how it has to go down. If it was me playing i'd probably tell him what the rule is but happily split the pot anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 02:11:06 PM »

Pretty low move to claim the pot imho
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2011, 02:16:27 PM »

We know the 'me too' guy had a straight? 
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2011, 02:18:11 PM »

We know the 'me too' guy had a straight? 

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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2011, 02:18:36 PM »

But if the actual two cards in your hand arent part of the winning hand then surely it doesnt matter?

Isnt there a story (probably a myth) about TJ Cloutier winning a pot without actually holding any cards at all....?

The pot was reluctantly chopped without a ruling being asked for as the table told the guy that he was out of order.
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2011, 02:19:39 PM »

We know the 'me too' guy had a straight? 

Lol

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2011, 02:23:53 PM »

i played a large cash pot in the holland casino  amsterdam about 9 years ago. probably will have been fixed  limit back then but the board ran out AAKKx. i showed the Ace and mucked my other card. they gave the pot to the other player who was local and  a woman. lesson learned
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2011, 02:56:22 PM »

Once the player has thrown his cards facedown towards the muck, the dealer should scoop them and put them in the muck. Once that has happened there is no way he can claim any part of the pot. However if the cards are just lying there in the middle of the table, the player can retrieve them once he realises his mistake. It is then a dealer error for not mucking them and he can then turn the face up, show that he is playing the board as well, and claim half the pot.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2011, 03:10:34 PM »

But if the actual two cards in your hand arent part of the winning hand then surely it doesnt matter?

Isnt there a story (probably a myth) about TJ Cloutier winning a pot without actually holding any cards at all....?

The pot was reluctantly chopped without a ruling being asked for as the table told the guy that he was out of order.


There could be duplicate cards or some kinda foul deck so cards have to be displayed. Also the guy who shows his hand is at a disadvantage if the other guy doesn't show in terms of info. Only small points but is the reason why cards must be shown to claim a pot.
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2011, 03:13:05 PM »

go explain the rules to the guy in the car park!
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2011, 03:22:25 PM »

go explain the rules to the guy in the car park!

what?  This isn't really an angle by the player who showed, anyone who has made the least effort to learn the rules of poker knows that you have to show your cards at showdown (for the reasons Mantis noted). 

I'd prob split but I'd make sure the guy knew he was in the wrong and i wouldn't split if a similar thing happened again.
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