*Theory Post* Full Ring

[pleno1]

In a 9 handed game, from the blinds we should 3bet a single utg/utg+1 raise without anyone calling inbetween 0% of the time.

Please discuss.

[Rupert]

depends on opponent, if they're going to fold too much then clearly not having a 3 bet range is a mistake, if they're always stacking QQ and AK then not 3 betting AA is a mistake especially if they never adjust to the fact our 3 bet range is only aces

[SuuPRlim]

yh there 4betting ranges are worth considering.

If they are opening enough, not folding to many 3bets and 4betting AA/KK only we can 3bet fold for fun vs them

[AlexMartin]

depends on opponent, if they're going to fold too much then clearly not having a 3 bet range is a mistake, if they're always stacking QQ and AK then not 3 betting AA is a mistake especially if they never adjust to the fact our 3 bet range is only aces

this is the key. also stack depth is super important, like 200bb+ you can probably 3b 20-30% of hands profitably if they are are like most players postflop (ie fold too much or call too much).

[pleno1]

Yeah I prob shouldn't start coaching micros

I told one person 100bb deep (full ring nitty rush) against tight opener utg to not 3bet anything. Enables us to peel some 67/78/56/22-88 kind of hands which play well vs his range.

[pleno1]

depends on opponent, if they're going to fold too much then clearly not having a 3 bet range is a mistake, if they're always stacking QQ and AK then not 3 betting AA is a mistake especially if they never adjust to the fact our 3 bet range is only aces

this is the key. also stack depth is super important, like 200bb+ you can probably 3b 20-30% of hands profitably if they are are like most players postflop (ie fold too much or call too much).

Ya I/we are 3betting a tonneeeeee IP against UTG raisers, like 27%ish but oop we just folding/calling.

[Rupert]

Balance doesn't matter when your opponents are 12 tabling hud bots that never adjust.  There are spots where if my opponents knew my game as well as I knew my game, they would know that i'm 100% bluffing or 100% value vs them in certain situations.  E.g. 12/9 F3b 32 opens UTG 6 handed... My 3 bet range is probably KK+ no bluffs