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« on: February 22, 2011, 03:08:31 PM » |
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Live £250 tourney
32 left
Last 5 min play of day 1
Blinds 800/1600 ante 200
My stack 33,000 (short)
average stack 80k+
I'm in BB with 95o
utg makes it 4.6k to play (known aggro player, very capable) from 70k
Mid position flats (known circuit pro) from 60k
Folds to me.
Obv not a shove knowing both players
Can I justify calling the extra 3k in this spot or is it straight in the muck?
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StuartHopkin
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 03:16:52 PM » |
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Not sure why you ruled out shoving though.
Assuming you havent been too out of line, why do you not think it would get through.
Mr Aggressive is opening wide no? And Mid position Flatter doesnt smell too strong?
Neither of them are going to be callin 50% of their stacks off lightly especially at the end of the day?
Folding >>>> Shoving >>>> Calling
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 03:27:27 PM » |
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I think calling about 20bb deep against 2 players that better post flop than you oop with 95o is like burning money.
Looks a clear fold to me.
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bobAlike
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 03:31:07 PM » |
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With previous history on both players I felt that utg, although aggro, was inviting a 3bet/shove.
again with previous history on MP felt he was flatting with near premium holding.
Just felt my shove wouldn't have got through.
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Rupert
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 03:32:36 PM » |
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SHOVING>CALLING>>>>>>>>>>>>FOLDING NOT EVEN CLOSE
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 03:39:23 PM » |
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I think calling about 20bb deep against 2 players that better post flop than you oop with 95o is like burning money.
Looks a clear fold to me.
I understand and aggree with what you're saying, I just couldnt get my head around whether there was any perceived value in flatting. |
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Rupert
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 03:42:34 PM » |
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95o has terrible equity vs wide ranges, it has terrible equity vs narrow ranges, in this hand we have terrible implied odds, we are out of position against 2 reasonable players... im not sure if this thread is even serious!
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 03:52:34 PM » |
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This is a serious question.
There's 13300 in the pot it's 3k to flat.
If flop misses then i'm out if i hit it hard then there's a good chance of a treble up.
Is that not worth the risk at this late stage in the day?
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 03:53:04 PM » |
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SHOVING>CALLING>>>>>>>>>>>>FOLDING NOT EVEN CLOSE
At least i got the right option first |
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 03:54:47 PM » |
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SHOVING>CALLING>>>>>>>>>>>>FOLDING NOT EVEN CLOSE
Arrows wrong way round? |
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 03:55:06 PM » |
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SHOVING>CALLING>>>>>>>>>>>>FOLDING NOT EVEN CLOSE
At least i got the right option first you sure you meant that rupert? |
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2011, 03:56:17 PM » |
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SHOVING>CALLING>>>>>>>>>>>>FOLDING NOT EVEN CLOSE
At least i got the right option first you sure you meant that rupert? Yeah i just realised that Sigh |
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2011, 03:56:46 PM » |
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SHOVING>CALLING>>>>>>>>>>>>FOLDING NOT EVEN CLOSE
wtffffff |
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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the sicilian
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2011, 04:01:44 PM » |
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I know its a natural instinct to think calling because of the perceived value can be deemed correct, but this hand OP to 2 competent players is just asking for trouble, especially out of this stack... you have virtually a perfect 3 bet shove stack ..wait for better spots... simples ....
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Just because you don't like it...... It doesn't mean it's not the truth
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Rupert
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2011, 04:06:42 PM » |
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am bit scared im getting level 2'd here but just in case it wasnt obvious clearly shoving or calling here is fucking horrendous. calling is the worst option if ur gonna do some more off when u hit something, but shoving is probs like a -3bb+ play
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