99 utg+1 in 13$ 90 ko turbo

[paulhouk03]

Full Tilt Poker Game #28497796979: $12 + $1 KO Sit & Go (221612842), Table 6 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:38:49 WET - 2011/02/24 [18:38:49 ET - 2011/02/24]
Seat 1: drops07 (2,760)
Seat 2: goodboyfriend (5,140)
Seat 3: Quantum169 (2,745)
Seat 4: Hedgehog19 (8,095)
Seat 5: 1ts good (7,185)
Seat 6: misterweat (2,885)
Seat 7: notorious p (4,655)
Seat 9: meeshaJackPOT (1,625)
Hedgehog19 posts the small blind of 60
1ts good posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to notorious p [ ]
Hedgehog19 has been disconnected
Hedgehog19 has reconnected
misterweat raises to 360
notorious p has 15 seconds left to act

I dont think its as easy as raise stack off
as there are alot of players yet to act
calling is pretty bad also cos ur not gonna flop well most of the time and possibly oop against bigger stacks

[MC]

Just fold...

[AlexMartin]

Just fold...

reallllly? this seems absurd. i mean i know push/fold is super profitable as a strategy, but that doesnt mean we ned to giveup super +EV spots like this does it?

[MC]

Just fold...

reallllly? this seems absurd. i mean i know push/fold is super profitable as a strategy, but that doesnt mean we ned to giveup super +EV spots like this does it?

Lol, how is it super+ev??

I mean I guess it's pretty borderline. Default folding 88 here, but obviously JJ goes in, but TT still a decision. Would need to have a read that dude is opening very wide to ship it here.

He's raising 1+UTG with no antes in play. Gots to play tight yo.

[paulhouk03]

Just fold...

reallllly? this seems absurd. i mean i know push/fold is super profitable as a strategy, but that doesnt mean we ned to giveup super +EV spots like this does it?

Lol, how is it super+ev??

I mean I guess it's pretty borderline. Default folding 88 here, but obviously JJ goes in, but TT still a decision. Would need to have a read that dude is opening very wide to ship it here.

He's raising 1+UTG with no antes in play. Gots to play tight yo.

what would you do if antes were involved?

[MC]

Just fold...

reallllly? this seems absurd. i mean i know push/fold is super profitable as a strategy, but that doesnt mean we ned to giveup super +EV spots like this does it?

Lol, how is it super+ev??

I mean I guess it's pretty borderline. Default folding 88 here, but obviously JJ goes in, but TT still a decision. Would need to have a read that dude is opening very wide to ship it here.

He's raising 1+UTG with no antes in play. Gots to play tight yo.

what would you do if antes were involved?

Probably fold lol. Would need some kind of read to shove.

[Longy]

Reads?? As it is going in if he is loose and folding if he is tight.

Readless I sigh fold but shove 1010, i do a fold with 10's against a nit here.

[AlexMartin]

Just fold...

reallllly? this seems absurd. i mean i know push/fold is super profitable as a strategy, but that doesnt mean we ned to giveup super +EV spots like this does it?

Lol, how is it super+ev??

I mean I guess it's pretty borderline. Default folding 88 here, but obviously JJ goes in, but TT still a decision. Would need to have a read that dude is opening very wide to ship it here.

He's raising 1+UTG with no antes in play. Gots to play tight yo.

my bad, i totally misread the hand and thought u were advocating open folding 99 utg.

[paulhouk03]

ok well i folded

but it pained me quite abit

[action man]

fold is fine vs a 3x'er off this stack, can't see a profitable alternative

[MC]

Just fold...

reallllly? this seems absurd. i mean i know push/fold is super profitable as a strategy, but that doesnt mean we ned to giveup super +EV spots like this does it?

Lol, how is it super+ev??

I mean I guess it's pretty borderline. Default folding 88 here, but obviously JJ goes in, but TT still a decision. Would need to have a read that dude is opening very wide to ship it here.

He's raising 1+UTG with no antes in play. Gots to play tight yo.

my bad, i totally misread the hand and thought u were advocating open folding 99 utg.

Ah okay

[Skippy]

Why don't we just call? We've nearly got 40bb. We've almost got implied odds to call and set-mine. If you know for a fact he has a UTG range of monster pocket pairs, fair enough, but you haven't said how you know that. And we're only 8 handed.

[MC]

Why don't we just call? We've nearly got 40bb. We've almost got implied odds to call and set-mine. If you know for a fact he has a UTG range of monster pocket pairs, fair enough, but you haven't said how you know that. And we're only 8 handed.

Too many people behind us imo. I never call in these spots.

[Skippy]

Here's how I see it.

If lots of people call behind us, that's happy days- we just go into set mining mode and have good odds to do so (both actual, and implied). We've also got a chance that if we get a baby flop of 3 cards below our 99 we might be winning- but we have to be very careful in that case.

If a shorty ships and UTG calls, we have to let it go.

If a shorty ships and UTG folds, we can call and if they've got a bigger pocket pair oh well.

If we get 3 bet or shoved on by a deeper stack (of which there are two), again it depends on what UTG does, but it's a bit tricky.

If we get to the flop heads up with UTG, then I think we should be able to play the hand OK.

A lot of it depends on what you think the UTG player has, though.

[Rupert]

theres a load of stacks behind us that cover us and loads of people to get through, its an easy fold