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[BulldozerD]

I'd b/f river probs unless I had specific reason to b/c.

It's already a 4bet pot pre, I think calling is fine

[BulldozerD]

I'd b/f river probs unless I had specific reason to b/c.

It's already a 4bet pot pre, I think calling is fine

Oh fuck it I am kidding myself if I think I would fold lol

[skolsuper]

4bet pre. Bet-fold river w/o a good reason to call, say for example he scratches his nose or something, then snap that bluffing bastard off.

4bet/6bet jam? Or 4betf?

BulldozerD is right it's a 5bet, and yes I'm 5betting to eyeball. Seems to me from the OP that this is a good spot for a cold 4 so villain might reasonably expect a light 5bet from us. Although it is spewy to get in 650bbs with QQ, I think this situation is playing more like 3/6 because you are 3betting the opener seemingly as wide as you would open. Peeling is not terrible but things will get a bit awkward later playing a 4bet pot OOP with SPR of 5, whereas I think we can profitably stack off pre here. That is just from your description of the dynamic in the OP, there's no way I would get 650bbs in with QQ normally.

Also, this:

I'd b/f river probs unless I had specific reason to b/c.

It's already a 4bet pot pre, I think calling is fine

Oh fuck it I am kidding myself if I think I would fold lol

[geeforce1]

to be in-exploitable b/c is best, but i doubt in a 100nl game ppl are going to exploit a bf by jamming all air and turning aa and kk into bluffs to get hero off a probable set. also to say he never has aa or kk after checking flop means u think he never pot controls 1 pair VS a possible flopped set 650bb deep (not analysing how good/bad this is). hands we should be able to take out of his range are JJ and TT.

as played bf is fine and def > checking. check calling allows him to check aa kk, and value bet you for same amount u were betting anyway.

[SuuPRlim]

to be in-exploitable b/c is best,

wiiiii geeforce +1 I must have gotten better where have you been not seen you round leeds' mean streets for many time

[pleno1]

to be in-exploitable b/c is best, but i doubt in a 100nl game ppl are going to exploit a bf by jamming all air and turning aa and kk into bluffs to get hero off a probable set. also to say he never has aa or kk after checking flop means u think he never pot controls 1 pair VS a possible flopped set 650bb deep (not analysing how good/bad this is). hands we should be able to take out of his range are JJ and TT.

as played bf is fine and def > checking. check calling allows him to check aa kk, and value bet you for same amount u were betting anyway.

Yes he 100% bets 1010/JJ/KK/AA big on the turn and I was going to c/f the turn. WHen he checks turn I thought he massively has bluffs/AK in his range.

[geeforce1]

to be in-exploitable b/c is best, but i doubt in a 100nl game ppl are going to exploit a bf by jamming all air and turning aa and kk into bluffs to get hero off a probable set. also to say he never has aa or kk after checking flop means u think he never pot controls 1 pair VS a possible flopped set 650bb deep (not analysing how good/bad this is). hands we should be able to take out of his range are JJ and TT.

as played bf is fine and def > checking. check calling allows him to check aa kk, and value bet you for same amount u were betting anyway.

Yes he 100% bets 1010/JJ/KK/AA big on the turn and I was going to c/f the turn. WHen he checks turn I thought he massively has bluffs/AK in his range.

ur quoting me here, agreeing with what i said (i think), but then contradicting it. i am saying i think aa and kk are most def in his range (although i am sure by the way this post has developed he didnt have either)

[pleno1]

to be in-exploitable b/c is best, but i doubt in a 100nl game ppl are going to exploit a bf by jamming all air and turning aa and kk into bluffs to get hero off a probable set. also to say he never has aa or kk after checking flop means u think he never pot controls 1 pair VS a possible flopped set 650bb deep (not analysing how good/bad this is). hands we should be able to take out of his range are JJ and TT.

as played bf is fine and def > checking. check calling allows him to check aa kk, and value bet you for same amount u were betting anyway.

Yes he 100% bets 1010/JJ/KK/AA big on the turn and I was going to c/f the turn. WHen he checks turn I thought he massively has bluffs/AK in his range.

ur quoting me here, agreeing with what i said (i think), but then contradicting it. i am saying i think aa and kk are most def in his range (although i am sure by the way this post has developed he didnt have either)

AA/KK is never in his range here, I have played lots of hands against him and as stated in OP he doesn't EVER slow down with hands like this. Although his relative hand strength was pretty similar to AA although I'm pretty sure he see's them as two completely different hands.

[geeforce1]

never slows down in 600bb pots? i just cant live with this assumption. u obv know villain better than me, but how well do u know him 600bb deep in a 4bet pot Vs u ( i assume he puts u on a range in this spot, and is not just level 1?). i doubt u have seen close to the number of spots (and see his hole cards) to make the assumption he NEVER slows down on turn, and even if u have he isnt a robot

[pleno1]

never slows down in 600bb pots? i just cant live with this assumption. u obv know villain better than me, but how well do u know him 600bb deep in a 4bet pot Vs u ( i assume he puts u on a range in this spot, and is not just level 1?). i doubt u have seen close to the number of spots (and see his hole cards) to make the assumption he NEVER slows down on turn, and even if u have he isnt a robot

I have seen him in dozens of pots and I know that he would 100% bet this turn.

In the 300bb pot previously he bet and bet big with 1010 on kxxxx and wasn't bluffing. I have seen him 5bet shove 10xxx 300bb deep with A10, I have never ever seen him check back or check TPTK in any single pot that he had the inititive in and that has gone to showdown. I really like your posts in PHA but really got to accept that I know the player and that he always bets qq+ here on turn

[geeforce1]

completely agree u know this guy vvv well, but say the hand u mentioned with TT vs JJ. he goes for his standard bet bet line, doesnt slow down. he ends up bet folding for a fairly small amount even tho he has sd val. with that hand in mind he might not want to get in same spot again. from what u have said my range for him is def changing, but not so much still that he 100% bets aa/kk. feel like we not going to agree here so nvmd

[david3103]

Pleno, given that this now seems to be very 'villain-specific', and that you've dismissed a significant part of his range, what did you put him on, and perhaps more importantly, what range do you think he has you on here?

[GreekStein]

never slows down in 600bb pots? i just cant live with this assumption. u obv know villain better than me, but how well do u know him 600bb deep in a 4bet pot Vs u ( i assume he puts u on a range in this spot, and is not just level 1?). i doubt u have seen close to the number of spots (and see his hole cards) to make the assumption he NEVER slows down on turn, and even if u have he isnt a robot

I have seen him in dozens of pots and I know that he would 100% bet this turn.

In the 300bb pot previously he bet and bet big with 1010 on kxxxx and wasn't bluffing. I have seen him 5bet shove 10xxx 300bb deep with A10, I have never ever seen him check back or check TPTK in any single pot that he had the inititive in and that has gone to showdown. I really like your posts in PHA but really got to accept that I know the player and that he always bets qq+ here on turn

Seems pointless asking for advice in a spot where 'you know best'.

[StuartHopkin]

Yeah just read through and your basically saying he is has AK 100% of the time here no?

That in mind I think you should open fold the river for sick metagame hero praise.

[cambridgealex]

Yeh have to agree with Cos. Seems u did some sort of hero check fold or lost the minimum somehow and the whole thread is a massive setup for bragaments!