hand from the 5 million

[Ironside]

been at the table about 10 minutes and looking for a spot to steal some chips when daddy isnt envolved or a hand to dbl with against daddy who is exercising his stack in over half the pots i've been at the table

this is first hand its been folded to me when i am not in EP so put in a standard raise and get called by SB who checks the flop

how much should i c-bet ?

just under 4000 of the 60000 runners remain

PokerStars Game #58788278111: Tournament #409020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (4000/8000) - 2011/03/07 2:44:45 WET [2011/03/06 21:44:45 ET]
Table '409020010 851' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: J. Cimone (236309 in chips)
Seat 2: boondock1219 (501339 in chips)
Seat 3: applefruit (144737 in chips)
Seat 4: Rassich (71746 in chips)
Seat 5: Ironside (98434 in chips)
Seat 6: FIL HELMET (142884 in chips)
Seat 7: Maddy's Papa (90212 in chips)
Seat 8: Robins1 (200169 in chips)
Seat 9: EhampDiner (136678 in chips)
J. Cimone: posts the ante 800
boondock1219: posts the ante 800
applefruit: posts the ante 800
Rassich: posts the ante 800
Ironside: posts the ante 800
FIL HELMET: posts the ante 800
Maddy's Papa: posts the ante 800
Robins1: posts the ante 800
EhampDiner: posts the ante 800
Robins1: posts small blind 4000
EhampDiner: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
NutCrackerAA [observer] said, "?"
J. Cimone: folds
IainLondon [observer] said, "maybe i am satan? never thought of that. dam"
boondock1219: folds
applefruit: folds
Rassich: folds
NutCrackerAA [observer] said, "Gator who?"
Ironside: raises 10000 to 18000
FIL HELMET: folds
Maddy's Papa: folds
Robins1: calls 14000
EhampDiner: folds
*** FLOP *** [As ]
Robins1: checks

[celtic]

Shouldn't we just be shoving pre?

[George2Loose]

um is this really that difficult ironside?

[George2Loose]

Shouldn't we just be shoving pre?

Oh and this- didnt realise how shallow you were-  jam pre or fold

[Ironside]

i am never sure of that stack sizes 10-15 bigs is it always a shove pre?

under 10 i was jamming

um is this really that difficult ironside?

i c -bet and guy on rail (blonde) said the c bet of 24k was too big and didnt leave me enough to jam turn 55k

thinking if you guys think i should of jammed pre as played i should of jammed flop

[George2Loose]

If he calls flop we probs shouldnt be jamming turn

[Ironside]

If he calls flop we probs shouldnt be jamming turn

i had a brain fart think i murdered the hand
but adraineline was rushing as i am a $11 player not a $215

i was thinking he might have called with a weak ace and fold turn but looking back over hand i doubt he could

[The Camel]

If he calls flop we probs shouldnt be jamming turn

i had a brain fart think i murdered the hand
but adraineline was rushing as i am a $11 player not a $215

i was thinking he might have called with a weak ace and fold turn but looking back over hand i doubt he could

That tournament was in effect a freeroll Iron.

If you can beat $11 tournaments, you were definitely +ev in that.

The general standard of play was abysmal.

[Ironside]

If he calls flop we probs shouldnt be jamming turn

i had a brain fart think i murdered the hand
but adraineline was rushing as i am a $11 player not a $215

i was thinking he might have called with a weak ace and fold turn but looking back over hand i doubt he could

That tournament was in effect a freeroll Iron.

If you can beat $11 tournaments, you were definitely +ev in that.

The general standard of play was abysmal.

it might have been a freeroll ffs even i mini cashed but 215$ buy in was a large chunk of my roll which i wouldnt normally play ffs i even think twice before playing a $22 freeze

then pull out

but then i dont think twice of playing a £20 rebuy or £300 live comp

dont know why i am so timid online

[Longy]

Shove pre.

When there are antes in play you should be adjusting your shoving range to how much there is in the pot. In this case there is 19200 in the pot. So the bb is in effect 12.8k.

So in this hand we have just over 7bbs and kj in the hijack is a clear shove.

A quick trick in game to working out the adjusted blinds with antes in play, is that you can work out the adjusted sb by dividing the pot by 3. I do this in my head but if your mental arithmetic isn't quick just have a calculator ready when grinding.

[Ironside]

thanks guys

lesson learnt

as it happens wouldnt have made a difference as he would of called

pre and was never going to fold at any staage

but next time its shove pre

only asked as i was told after hand by a reg poster on here that i should have bet less on flop

if i was going to shove turn

[pleno1]

i think there was a time when you had 10bbs and you minraised instead of shoved they folded andyou showed AK andwe talked about future and you said you wanted to minraise in future, did this have any bearing on hand?

like i said on msn if u decide to bet this flop, you have to check turn.

[pleno1]

and in general, id rather cbet small and jam turns as semi bluffs rather than bet medium, jam medium.

[Ironside]

yeah think shoving was what i should of been doing

think i had around the same amount of blinds with teh AK

with 10 bigs or below i shove normally

i had a plan and never stuck to it

ideally i was bet winning the pot pre

i was folding to the 3 bet pre

and i hadnt a clue when the sb flatted and forgot it could mean he was uber strong  and read weak

[Cf]

A quick trick in game to working out the adjusted blinds with antes in play, is that you can work out the adjusted sb by dividing the pot by 3. I do this in my head but if your mental arithmetic isn't quick just have a calculator ready when grinding.

That's a nice way of doing it. Cheers