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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2011, 10:25:24 AM » |
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so you dont jam a 3?
I don't have a 3. your arguements are terrible |
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2011, 10:29:36 AM » |
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so you dont jam a 3?
I don't have a 3. your arguements are terrible Why is it terrible? If somebody is nitty they don't peel 3's in rush. They just fold. When he jams the river the only missed draws are 56s and thats a tiny range. He could potentially turn some kind of 9 into a bluff but its alotttt more likely he has 99/qq than 56s. |
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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2011, 10:31:31 AM » |
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so you dont jam a 3?
I don't have a 3. your arguements are terrible Why is it terrible? If somebody is nitty they don't peel 3's in rush. They just fold. When he jams the river the only missed draws are 56s and thats a tiny range. He could potentially turn some kind of 9 into a bluff but its alotttt more likely he has 99/qq than 56s. so you think a nit doesnt play any 3's but yet doesnt 3 bet QQ nor raise any street? therefore you lose to 99 and yet you still fold wp sir |
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2011, 10:33:45 AM » |
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which brings me back to the original question.... what % of the time is it good?
When asked why I would call, I simply said that given the betting, I would have to be sure I was folding a losing hand at least two thirds of the time to be happy. In real time, I would just shrug call, without going into any maths, just expecting not to be beaten that often that I could ever fold it.
Are we good half the time here?
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2011, 10:37:07 AM » |
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so you dont jam a 3?
I don't have a 3. your arguements are terrible Why is it terrible? If somebody is nitty they don't peel 3's in rush. They just fold. When he jams the river the only missed draws are 56s and thats a tiny range. He could potentially turn some kind of 9 into a bluff but its alotttt more likely he has 99/qq than 56s. so you think a nit doesnt play any 3's but yet doesnt 3 bet QQ nor raise any street? therefore you lose to 99 and yet you still fold wp sir No, qq could very eaily peel pre and play it the same. I don't see why he would raise any street. If I had qq I would play it exactly the same way. I don't know why you're getting all bitchy in your posts towards me? It's PHA and supposed to be discussion, I'm saying what I think and you are saying my arguements are terrible and wp sir etc etc, I can post a graph of me playing 400nl rush if you like but I will probably get lolsamplesized or something. I generally like your posts on the forum but you seem to have it in for me on recent PHA threads when I'm just saying my honest opinion if you think I am so "terrible" etc then please say why and help me ratehr than being insulting. I can take it but new people coming to the forum who post one or two what you deem "terrible" posts could be really easily offended, especially if they havn't met you (I havn't met you) and you could discourage them from posting. x |
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2011, 10:48:58 AM » |
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Im not having a go at you Mr Leno - but the arguements that you are using here (in this thread) do not strike me as those of a thinking cash player who plays quite a bit (which I believe you do)
Nits do not play QQ that way in rush. If they arent 3 betting, they call pre to see no A and K and then they play to get the money in on the flop (most of the time) or turn - not wait to fill up on the river. The reason they are nits is because they are inherently scared and there is no fear on this board for them.
Therefore in using your own arguements about 3's - it leaves exactly 1 hand that we lose to, and therefore that makes long term folding terrible.
Now turning to Simons point. We are good so much of the time here we just cant fold. The villain could show me 1 card - and it could be a 9 and I am still not folding.
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2011, 11:39:54 AM » |
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Im not having a go at you Mr Leno - but the arguements that you are using here (in this thread) do not strike me as those of a thinking cash player who plays quite a bit (which I believe you do)
Nits do not play QQ that way in rush. If they arent 3 betting, they call pre to see no A and K and then they play to get the money in on the flop (most of the time) or turn - not wait to fill up on the river. The reason they are nits is because they are inherently scared and there is no fear on this board for them.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree with this, raising qq on the flop would be very bad and I would play it exactly the same (which I believe to be 100% optimal) |
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2011, 11:57:58 AM » |
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Im not having a go at you Mr Leno - but the arguements that you are using here (in this thread) do not strike me as those of a thinking cash player who plays quite a bit (which I believe you do)
Nits do not play QQ that way in rush. If they arent 3 betting, they call pre to see no A and K and then they play to get the money in on the flop (most of the time) or turn - not wait to fill up on the river. The reason they are nits is because they are inherently scared and there is no fear on this board for them.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree with this, raising qq on the flop would be very bad and I would play it exactly the same (which I believe to be 100% optimal) what about the times you dont stack TT JJ AK? (not wanting to derail the thread) |
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2011, 12:01:02 PM » |
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Im not having a go at you Mr Leno - but the arguements that you are using here (in this thread) do not strike me as those of a thinking cash player who plays quite a bit (which I believe you do)
Nits do not play QQ that way in rush. If they arent 3 betting, they call pre to see no A and K and then they play to get the money in on the flop (most of the time) or turn - not wait to fill up on the river. The reason they are nits is because they are inherently scared and there is no fear on this board for them.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree with this, raising qq on the flop would be very bad and I would play it exactly the same (which I believe to be 100% optimal) what about the times you dont stack TT JJ AK? (not wanting to derail the thread) You don't stack these hands though. They all fold. Either on the flop or by the time you've shoved the river. |
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2011, 12:41:20 PM » |
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not even close. call. over-analyse a standard spot afterwards. pls dont go all 2+2 on me blonde, some hands are just not meant to be
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2011, 12:44:34 PM » |
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not even close. call. over-analyse a standard spot afterwards. pls dont go all 2+2 on me blonde, some hands are just not meant to be
Phew. ty |
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2011, 12:51:38 PM » |
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Pads, stop fkin levelling imo  |
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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2011, 12:53:06 PM » |
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not even close. call. over-analyse a standard spot afterwards. pls dont go all 2+2 on me blonde, some hands are just not meant to be
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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2011, 01:10:54 PM » |
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I'm never folding
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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2011, 01:59:16 PM » |
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The fact that anyone is thinking of folding here makes me ROFLMYMFHO!!
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