Just how nitty are these games?

[pleno1]

yer i posted itt that i would call, initially i didnt look at bet sizings but think that it is still v.likely we are beat.

[outragous76]

yer i posted itt that i would call, initially i didnt look at bet sizings but think that it is still v.likely we are beat.

care to point that bit out?

[GreekStein]

think that it is still v.likely we are beat.

95% of hands on PHA are ones that lose.

[pleno1]

think that it is still v.likely we are beat.

95% of hands on PHA are ones that lose.

We folded rivarrrrr though so we'll never know.

[pleno1]

I just dont see him with many 3's in his range, I think he quick folds almost 100% of them. If you're going for the line of meh its25nl then you should just call anyway as he's clicking buttons. I coach someone at 25nl rush actually and this would be such a sick spot. Calling is obviously NEVER bad, but I think its good (or at least good that he can) fold as too many regs at micros just call and chalk it off as a cooler when its clear they are beat.

I think the biggest problems are the bet sizings, I'd bet bigger on turn and bigger on river. Actually looking closer when you bet 1/2 pot on river maybe you have to snap it off. When I bet smaller on rivers like this with such hand strength it is usally with the intention of inducing. I prefer about $3.80 on turn and $8.50ish on the river.

yer i posted itt that i would call, initially i didnt look at bet sizings but think that it is still v.likely we are beat.

care to point that bit out?

Meant that if I did this  bet sizing I would probably call it off.

[pleno1]

on skype to a very good fr rush player who has crushed all these limits..

[17:42:01] vonki: I probably say fold is good
[17:42:57] vonki: most of the time, probably like 85%+ of the times he will be beat in general, vs this opponent...probably more so
[17:43:34] Patrick Leonard: everybody thinks im crazy for wanting to fold
[17:44:31] vonki: well lets say villain is me
[17:44:52] vonki: the only time I raise this river, is when I have a set =)
[17:45:04] vonki: i dont bluffraise here, and I dont turn anything into a bluff ^^
[17:45:26] Patrick Leonard: yeh
[17:45:39] Patrick Leonard: against me id call, because id turn hands like 98s into a bluff here
[17:45:45] vonki: his size is kind of odd but imo thats also an indicator that he puts you all in because he knows you will only call a monster too, and has you beat
[17:45:47] Patrick Leonard: but against std fr rush nit
[17:46:10] vonki: esp a NL25 nit =)

[pleno1]

[17:47:40] vonki: why is this guy saying he wont ever have QQ?
[17:47:57] vonki: Id probably flat QQ there quite often
[17:47:59] vonki: pre that is
[17:48:04] vonki: and play it like this
[17:48:14] Patrick Leonard: yeh
[17:48:17] Patrick Leonard: i agree

etc

[cambridgealex]

easy fold imo

he cant have 99 as he wouldnt raise the river with 99 in case you had QQ or 33
he cant have QQ as he would fold on the flop or turn in case you had AA KK or a set

so he has 33 100% of the time

shouldn't this be in the learning centre?

[outragous76]

easy fold imo

he cant have 99 as he wouldnt raise the river with 99 in case you had QQ or 33
he cant have QQ as he would fold on the flop or turn in case you had AA KK or a set

so he has 33 100% of the time

shouldn't this be in the learning centre?

 

[pleno1]

easy fold imo

he cant have 99 as he wouldnt raise the river with 99 in case you had QQ or 33
he cant have QQ as he would fold on the flop or turn in case you had AA KK or a set

so he has 33 100% of the time

shouldn't this be in the learning centre?

nice post from all of your rush experience alex.

[cambridgealex]

easy fold imo

he cant have 99 as he wouldnt raise the river with 99 in case you had QQ or 33
he cant have QQ as he would fold on the flop or turn in case you had AA KK or a set

so he has 33 100% of the time

shouldn't this be in the learning centre?

nice post from all of your rush experience alex.

dont need to be a rush expert to know this is a fold. I'd fold in a HU hyperturboSNG with 20bbs.

[GreekStein]

Only one man can answer about how nitty these games are and that's mcnitus.

[SuuPRlim]

Calling is obviously NEVER bad

This. Hence why I call.

Folding can be such a huge mistake, and calling cant ever be a mistake, so I call and it doesn't matter if tthis specific billain has me beat 95% of the time

[redarmi]

This is never a fold no matter how nitty the game is.

[pleno1]

When somebody is NEVER raising worse for value and has a very low aggresion rating how can this NEVER be a fold. I've posted response from person who's crushed the game over 50k hands at this limit and above. Guess we'll agree to disagree.