first time ive ever done this in a cash game

[outragous76]

[  ] it went well  - and he fkn tank called

Full Tilt Poker Game #28929983411: Table Adrenaline - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:52:51 ET - 2011/03/11
Seat 1: lizzalizza ($100)
Seat 2: Wekufe ($38.50)
Seat 3: SWJonin ($100)
Seat 4: Stojcevic ($78.10)
Seat 5: ADASTRAPERASPE ($100.50)
Seat 6: fully_irritated ($170.40)
Seat 7: outragous76 ($116)
Seat 8: PokerDiOssi ($108.50)
Seat 9: lil_Gaz ($209.95)
ADASTRAPERASPE posts the small blind of $0.50
fully_irritated posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [As ]
outragous76 raises to $3
PokerDiOssi folds
lil_Gaz folds
lizzalizza folds
Wekufe folds
SWJonin has 15 seconds left to act
SWJonin has requested TIME
SWJonin folds
Stojcevic folds
ADASTRAPERASPE calls $2.50
fully_irritated folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
ADASTRAPERASPE checks
outragous76 bets $7
ADASTRAPERASPE calls $7
*** TURN *** [ ] []
ADASTRAPERASPE checks
outragous76 checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
ADASTRAPERASPE bets $21
outragous76 has 15 seconds left to act
outragous76 has requested TIME
outragous76 raises to $106, and is all in
ADASTRAPERASPE calls $69.50, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $15.50 returned to outragous76
*** SHOW DOWN ***
outragous76 shows [As ] a straight, Eight high
ADASTRAPERASPE shows [Ah ] a straight, Nine high
ADASTRAPERASPE wins the pot ($199) with a straight, Nine high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $202 | Rake $3
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: lizzalizza didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Wekufe didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: SWJonin didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Stojcevic (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: ADASTRAPERASPE (small blind) showed [Ah ] and won ($199) with a straight, Nine high
Seat 6: fully_irritated (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: outragous76 showed [As ] and lost with a straight, Eight high
Seat 8: PokerDiOssi didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: lil_Gaz didn't bet (folded)

[George2Loose]

Thought this was going to say "won money"

[Waz1892]

You're 1000 times better player than me without a doubt, but I have to ask to learn....

What is the thinking by re-raising his $21 bet, when if your think he's at it, the best you're going to do is split , and if your wrong and he does have the 3 or 9 then it's cost the max. If you just call, you're spiliting or losing the min?

and on the same vein, if he calls your all in bet, best again you're getting is a split pot, as it'll be unlikely he's folding - and esp if he DOES have the 3 or 9, even less chance you do, so he's snapping you off?

[pokerfan]

You're 1000 times better player than me without a doubt, but I have to ask to learn....

What is the thinking by re-raising his $21 bet, when if your think he's at it, the best you're going to do is split , and if your wrong and he does have the 3 or 9 then it's cost the max. If you just call, you're spiliting or losing the min?

and on the same vein, if he calls your all in bet, best again you're getting is a split pot, as it'll be unlikely he's folding - and esp if he DOES have the 3 or 9, even less chance you do, so he's snapping you off?

3 doesn`t play Waz

[pokerfan]

You're 1000 times better player than me without a doubt, but I have to ask to learn....

What is the thinking by re-raising his $21 bet, when if your think he's at it, the best you're going to do is split , and if your wrong and he does have the 3 or 9 then it's cost the max. If you just call, you're spiliting or losing the min?

and on the same vein, if he calls your all in bet, best again you're getting is a split pot, as it'll be unlikely he's folding - and esp if he DOES have the 3 or 9, even less chance you do, so he's snapping you off?

3 doesn`t play Waz

And i doubt he calls without a 9

[Waz1892]

You're 1000 times better player than me without a doubt, but I have to ask to learn....

What is the thinking by re-raising his $21 bet, when if your think he's at it, the best you're going to do is split , and if your wrong and he does have the 3 or 9 then it's cost the max. If you just call, you're spiliting or losing the min?

and on the same vein, if he calls your all in bet, best again you're getting is a split pot, as it'll be unlikely he's folding - and esp if he DOES have the 3 or 9, even less chance you do, so he's snapping you off?

3 doesn`t play Waz

Good point. 

However still can't see this being a good move in the long run?  and if I'm wrong, then need to understand why to improve and learn from better players who think that one step further etc.

[outragous76]

The theory is that he is having to call 70 to split the pot, and from the way the hand plays why would I put him on a 9 specifically?

[Waz1892]

The theory is that he is having to call 70 to split the pot, and from the way the hand plays why would I put him on a 9 specifically?

Thats what I don't get - you are unlikely to put him on the 9, so best your hoping for is a spilt pot, as he'll be thinking the same.  But when your wrong it's costing you the max

[pokerfan]

The theory is that he is having to call 70 to split the pot, and from the way the hand plays why would I put him on a 9 specifically?

Thats what I don't get - you are unlikely to put him on the 9, so best your hoping for is a spilt pot, as he'll be thinking the same.  But when your wrong it's costing you the max

He won`t call for a chop, that`s the point. He can only call 9 or better obv.

[Waz1892]

The theory is that he is having to call 70 to split the pot, and from the way the hand plays why would I put him on a 9 specifically?

Thats what I don't get - you are unlikely to put him on the 9, so best your hoping for is a spilt pot, as he'll be thinking the same.  But when your wrong it's costing you the max

He won`t call for a chop, that`s the point. He can only call 9 or better obv.

might be getting confused, or i just don't get it (both highly likely!)  he as in villian surely wont believe you have the 9 in the same way we don;t believe him - as outragous states why would i put him on the 9.

so if that is the case, your only ever getting actually called by the hand that can beat you.   your repping what he has.

best result your splitting, worst your losing.  the occasions when he believes you and fold, dont out weight the times he just calls and spilt or has the 9 himself.

this is my first blonde hand analysis so forgive me if im overstepping here?

[outragous76]

In short if he doesn't have the 9 he has to call 70 to win the 30 he has put in, so the maths for him is terrible. He knows that is his absolute best outcome (without the 9)!

I have no reason to put him on a 9 here.

There is no reason why I can't have a hand like 99. Although they rarely pass even if they pass 1 in 30 times it is profitable!

However I run terrible and I am 0 for 1 in this spot!

[outragous76]

It is also funny when they fold!

Also jamming a board like 2222 x can be an interesting spot

Or even watching people pass on 2222A boards too

[Waz1892]

It is also funny when they fold!
Also jamming a board like 2222 x can be an interesting spot

Or even watching people pass on 2222A boards too

True i guess!

wud luv to see that pass on that 2222a board!

[Waz1892]

hope you didnt mind me commenting on the hand

[pokerfan]

Have tons of similar weird spots from tourney hh`s, once saw a dude fold on 10JQKA 3 way rainbow with a third of his stack in. (could be misclick obv)
Also seen a fold on AAAAK when a guy typed in you got AK? ($10 mtts ldo, thats how i roll)