can i fold?

[paulhouk03]

***** Hand History for Game 28959418133 ***** (Full Tilt)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, March 12, 05:43:15 ET 2011
Table 16500 Guarantee (224997335) Table 41 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: notorious p ( $36767.00 USD )
Seat 2: soulstrangler ( $6557.00 USD )
Seat 3: leozzy ( $30571.00 USD )
Seat 5: DEADyshka2 ( $36161.00 USD )
Seat 6: fadsy ( $20426.00 USD )
Seat 7: Sveden House ( $8247.00 USD )
Seat 8: SucksBRG ( $8089.00 USD )
Seat 9: Komsa1706 ( $13550.00 USD )
notorious p posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
soulstrangler posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
leozzy posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
DEADyshka2 posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
fadsy posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
Sveden House posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
SucksBRG posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
Komsa1706 posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
notorious p posts small blind [$300.00 USD].
soulstrangler posts big blind [$600.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to notorious p [   As ]
leozzy raises [$2700.00 USD]
DEADyshka2 folds
fadsy calls [$2700.00 USD]
Sveden House folds
SucksBRG folds
Komsa1706 folds
notorious p calls [$2400.00 USD]
soulstrangler folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
notorious p checks
leozzy bets [$27796.00 USD]
fadsy calls [$17651.00 USD]
notorious p

no reads on player

can i fold

insta jam utg and insta call fadsy

still got a good stack if i just fold

i am deepish in the tourney

am i just being a prick again?

[redarmi]

Urgh.  I think it is difficult to find a fold here as you have so much equity against the two pair hands and other aces and enough equity versus the flushes and sets.  You are also in fantastic shape against hands like AxQd or even with random blanks .  My biggest worry would be that there are likely to be plenty of blockers out there.  I am not sufficiently well versed in ICM to know whether that might be a factor in folding here.....I suppose the biggest factor really is whether you are deep enough, with a sufficient structure and have a big enough edge to find better spots.  There aren't many better spots than this though normally.  Get it in.

[paulhouk03]

i just dont think i am ever ahead
but i do have a nut flush draw thats all

[Girgy85]

Re raise pre?

[paulhouk03]

dont want to play for a huge pot deep oop

what would u do if it comes 9 high?

just cbet fold or cf

[redarmi]

Re raise pre?

Yepo definitely this.  Don't forget against two pair hands you still have other outs but if you are sure that you are up againstflush you can fold because you don't have enough outs.  Really I would probably only count,say, seven outs anyway as yolu are very likely to be up against some blockers.

[DMorgan]

Don't think so. I'm gunna assume that they're both terrible since the bet sizing in this hand is lol from start to finish

I think leozzy has a hand like QQ w/Qd. I think the only better made hand that he shows up with is AJ which we have 12 outs against anyway. The guy that overcalls can very easily have Ax with worse diamonds or maybe no diamonds.

Really can't see me folding this

Looking at the maths there is 54747 in the pot and its 27796 to call so we're getting 1.96 to 1 so we need ~33.5%

Against AJ and AxQd you're 42%
Against a set and a worse Ax you're 29%
Against Ax and a flush you're 28%

There are just too many combos of Ax that fish aren't folding with or without diamonds for us to be able to fold imo

[DMorgan]

Re raise pre?

and this obv. 9k and cawling a jam, bet/call any flop

[redarmi]

dont want to play for a huge pot deep oop

what would u do if it comes 9 high?

just cbet fold or cf

Never 3betting pre and not C-betting.  Not sure I understand you not wanting to play a big pot.  It is in your interests to make the pot big enough to be comfortable stacking off when you hit the flop.  When the pot remains small then this happens and you are left with tough decisions.  If you 3bet pre to ,say, 8k and get one caller then there is 20k or so in the pot so when they then shove on this flop they are stacking off with a wider range and your call is easy.  Not sure I have explained this well.  Do you get what I mean???

[paulhouk03]

dont want to play for a huge pot deep oop

what would u do if it comes 9 high?

just cbet fold or cf

Never 3betting pre and not C-betting.  Not sure I understand you not wanting to play a big pot.  It is in your interests to make the pot big enough to be comfortable stacking off when you hit the flop.  When the pot remains small then this happens and you are left with tough decisions.  If you 3bet pre to ,say, 8k and get one caller then there is 20k or so in the pot so when they then shove on this flop they are stacking off with a wider range and your call is easy.  Not sure I have explained this well.  Do you get what I mean???

yeah i understand u wanna make a pot big enough when u hit

but would stack off post flop when u missed?

[Girgy85]

Also never folding on that flop!!

[redarmi]

dont want to play for a huge pot deep oop

what would u do if it comes 9 high?

just cbet fold or cf

Never 3betting pre and not C-betting.  Not sure I understand you not wanting to play a big pot.  It is in your interests to make the pot big enough to be comfortable stacking off when you hit the flop.  When the pot remains small then this happens and you are left with tough decisions.  If you 3bet pre to ,say, 8k and get one caller then there is 20k or so in the pot so when they then shove on this flop they are stacking off with a wider range and your call is easy.  Not sure I have explained this well.  Do you get what I mean???

yeah i understand u wanna make a pot big enough when u hit

but would stack off post flop when u missed?

Depends on the flop really.  I c-bet almost every flop but b/f on say a Q83 flop but if I have any part of it i b/c and that includes flops like QTx and even low paired boards like 338 probably unless I am up against a total nit.

[cambridgealex]

yeh +1 to all those saying 3b/call or 3b/ bet/call most/all flops.

About your flop decision, I had to recheck all the details to make sure I was missing anything crucial like it was a WSOP satellite bubble or something.

[X] AK
[X] Top pair, Toppest Kicker
[X] Nut flush draw
[X] A whole bunch of chips in the middle and two choices
[ ] Ever Folding

[paulhouk03]

ok ok ok


lols i was steaming then cos i obv lost and it was the only tourney i was deep in and was stuck for the day

utg had ak and the other guy had jj

[cambridgealex]

ok ok ok


lols i was steaming then cos i obv lost and it was the only tourney i was deep in and was stuck for the day

utg had ak and the other guy had jj

get there next time