Interesting question and not trolling:
Is it ok just to tank to try and save face when essentially it wastes time? I never do this.
I think this is interesting too.
Snapfolding basically tells the whole table you were bluffing or raising light. It's almost like just turning your cards over and saying "you caught me I was bluffing". Obviously this is not information you want to give away. At the same time taking time for image and tanking when you know you're passing is essentially just wasting time. I try and find a grey area, not taking much time but giving a speech or something or taking a few seconds.
If you are competent you should already know which you are going to do, saving face merely wastes time.
Someone who raise tank folds is more likely to have me jam on them than someone who opens and snap mucks ready for the next hand.
Only poor players are going to give more credit to a raise tank fold than just a raise fold imo.exactly and what a most live players beanie?!
how do you two get away with slagging live players off with an amount of live cashes between you that lildave can still manage to count on one hand. yet i keep proving it time and time again yet get hung drawn and quartered just for calling the dtd regs 90% idiots....noticed the winner of this months dtd deepstack seemed to be in the 90% grouip again
Sigh this might take a few goes, i've already typed one line out and it sounded rude. Rude is not what i'm aiming for, you know my valet skills are top notch Jason (at least I have something to fall back on :p )
live tournaments are full of people who put maybe half a second of their lifetime into thinking what they do at the poker table and why (this is generous). People 'get a feeling' or 'don't like that hand' etc etc Logic and reasoning are thrown out the window. Yet if they time it well and win some flips they are definitely a good winning poker player and must be respected right?! (No, one tournament = nothing, I won a round of each at DTD ffs that's a joke I don't play 4 cards...)
Young online professionals sit there breaking hands down to the n'th degree, rinse repeat. Playing hundreds of thousands of hands, seeing flops that happen live and everyone goes 'wow how did 3 of the same card come out' or 'wow AKQhhh what an action board' (sure is an action board ....) If I am playing an online tournament session I will regularly register for ~30 MTT's in a night. That's over 2 years worth of DTD 300s in one night (and the field sizes are much bigger and must stronger).
There can be ZERO argument that the young online players are more skill full and more technically competent.
There can also be ZERO argument, that the relative standards of live to online at the same buy-in level cannot be compared. I see better play regularly in 5-10$ freezeouts online than I do in 300-1k tournaments live.
Using the hendon mob as a way to base your opinion of someone is just naive, it shows a complete lack of understanding of the variance in tournament poker in general let alone the lack of long run that live poker achieves compared to online. Also considering that donkaments are top heavy structures and if you are looking for your best ROI in the long run that's what you should be aiming for gives an explanation as to why young players don't have a brilliant list of min cashes on the all important hendon mob.
If we go by this 'only live tournaments are important and live mincashes are greater than making your living online' thought process we'd still be thinking that Hellmuth was the best player in the world (instead of just him thinking that).
Out of interest Jason what record is more impressive to you?
Hellmuth having 11 bracelets from before poker was a competitive game or Jake Cody winning both an EPT and WPT in todays games?
I'd also love to know how many of the big names could have made money in the last few years without being backed, and how many will continue to think that they can create an edge in fields that are increasingly getting tougher and tougher.
What would the older generation have thought to the Cheong bust out hand 6 bet jamming Ax 3 handed with ICM implications? nowadays the 4th and 5th bets preflop are standard, we really aren't even playing the same game as when Hellmuth etc was winning all the money.
Do you know see why I feel within my right to talk about live players as if they are terrible?
They are terrible, therefore I do......
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