Folding KK pre at Gala Notts - not a joke thread!

[cambridgealex]

I wasn't going to post this HH but it's seemingly topical at the moment.

Playing 0.50/1 at Gala Notts last night. Villain is a old Greek man named Jimmy. A local legend, plays every day, wins money for sure in the local comps but is basically bad. We have a lot of history and I have stacked him three times in this session already. He has since won a massive pot and is playing £500, I cover.

I open   UTG to £6 he 3bets to £21, I tank and 4bet to £56. He tanks plays with his £5 chips for a while, then goes to his stack of ponies and makes it £129.

Based on my history with him and my read, I was 90% sure he flats with QQ> or AK here when we're 500bbs deep.

I've never folded kings pre before but really thought this was a spot where I should.

[Ironside]

well if he aint raising withless than KK or AA then its an easy fold

[cambridgealex]

well if he aint raising withless than KK or AA then its an easy fold

yeh edited it to 90% sure. He does do things that surprise me occasionally. But given gameflow and the fact he was down 4 or 5 hundred then got back to level or winning I thought it wasn't likely he was tilted.

[Ironside]

ok so you think its 90% likely your a 4-1 dog then you need a hell of a lot more in pot to make this a worthwhile call

i have never been able to fold kings in a cash game cause i have never been able to convince myself he has aces even if i have an inkling he has aces i have always stacked off

[GreekStein]

lol i quite like Jimmy's sizing. I know Jimmy well and like the fold. He has dem aces.

[Girgy85]

Do a call, wait for a King to flop then stack him again!!

[cambridgealex]

lol i quite like Jimmy's sizing. I know Jimmy well and like the fold. He has dem aces.

yeh lol when i opened, he had the £6 ready then just when i thought he was gonna peel he grabs a big stack of singles and just sticks it in. always makes me chuckle.

[SuuPRlim]

this is where Jimmy gives you the wink and flashes the  as his cards hit the muck.

go on Jimmy

[titaniumbean]

this is where Jimmy gives you the wink and flashes the  as his cards hit the muck.

go on Jimmy

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Also he's peeling the 4 bet alot yeah? otherwise say what.

Also what position is jimmy in ? Does he 3bet much etc ?

[stato_1]

pretty standard vs this guy this deep

[redarmi]

I have only ever folded Kings preflop once and it was a similar spot but tbh in these lower stakes games 4betting and 5betting light is so rare that they normally have a big hand and the only trick is to get an idea just how wide that range is for that individual player ie. is it JJ+, AKo+ in which case you can get it in profitably or is it basically KK+ in which case it is an easy fold.  I don't know the guy but I would say "old greek man" is a pretty big tell in a vacuum.  The normal rule I use in these circumstances when I have queens is if they player is over 55 I fold if he is younger then I call!!!

[Whollyflush]

you should probably flat the 4bet this deep. It may very well be a correct fold, but i think calling the 4bet is better than 5bet folding this deep with so much money behind.

[SuuPRlim]

you should probably flat the 4bet this deep. It may very well be a correct fold, but i think calling the 4bet is better than 5bet folding this deep with so much money behind.

it's a 3bet, but yh +1

[JK]

We discussed this at the time (I dealt this hand lol). Is one of those spots where it's a definate fold IMHO. Like you said, you were 90% sure, and I think that's pretty close to the percentage your right in this spot (if not more).

Good fold sir. Should have seen Jimmys face lol. Looked like he'd been hit by a train!

[Whollyflush]

you should probably flat the 4bet this deep. It may very well be a correct fold, but i think calling the 4bet is better than 5bet folding this deep with so much money behind.

it's a 3bet, but yh +1

yeh my bad