Spot Iv always wondered about...

[JK]

This spot is from a while ago. Played in the DTD £300 Deepstack. Alot of dynamics to the hand so will try to explain as best I can.

Blinds 400/800/100

UTG raises to 1800 (30k stack). UTG is very capable, but also very very loose aggro. Raised alot of hands in the last orbit, had alot of battles with UTG+1 and a bit pot is coming.

UTG+1 flats out of 23k. See above. This is Jim Moult, and been having alot of battles with UTG

UTG+2 flats out of 40k. Bingo Bill. Dying to get in a hand as hes been unable because of the fireworks at the other end of the table.

Hero is Highjack with   playing 25k. Your line here?

I have a very tight image, so can probably get squeezes through. All 3 players in the pot have wide ranges. However, we want to play this hand multiway with the current dynamics. Pretty sure this is a flat, but should be be squeezing?

I chose to flat for the above reason

BB calls out of 50k stack.

Flop:   (pot ~10k)

UTG leads for 3800.

Folds to hero. Your action? Reasons? Chose to flat here as we have alot of backdoor draws and could have the best hand/TID on the turn vs villains wide range.


Rest of the hand is pretty obvious, so just want views on Post/Flop lines.

Sorry its long, Wanted to get the dynamics in

[Girgy85]

Folding pre imo

[GreekStein]

Don't flat pre, we're not deep enough and we're gonna get in trouble a bunch.

Don't mind a 3-bet with a specific read that they are v v likely to all fold but not sure this is the right spot. Bookie for example isn't flatting so early without a hand and you (young punk) will look like you're squeezing.

[JK]

Don't flat pre, we're not deep enough and we're gonna get in trouble a bunch.

Don't mind a 3-bet with a specific read that they are v v likely to all fold but not sure this is the right spot. Bookie for example isn't flatting so early without a hand and you (young punk) will look like you're squeezing.

Jim had been VERY active up to this point. Been in alot of pots with not even marginal holdings against UTG (obv different positions)

[JK]

Quite funny that CraigBetts is reading this. Hes UTG in tihs hand and I got very lucky :$

[GreekStein]

Don't flat pre, we're not deep enough and we're gonna get in trouble a bunch.

Don't mind a 3-bet with a specific read that they are v v likely to all fold but not sure this is the right spot. Bookie for example isn't flatting so early without a hand and you (young punk) will look like you're squeezing.

Jim had been VERY active up to this point. Been in alot of pots with not even marginal holdings against UTG (obv different positions)

even more reason to fold pre if jim is in a mood to eyeball you

[craigbetts]

I was posting a reply about my dyamics on the hand, though I will leave the thread to evolve before I post my thought process.

[DMorgan]

Fold pre, fold flop

job done

[cambridgealex]

Fold pre, fold flop

job done

+1

though in the moment, I'd always do neither

[MC]

Fold pre, fold flop

job done

[George2Loose]

I probably flat pre cos I love 97 esp. when it's suited (big fave hand leak)

But I deffo fold flop even with backdoors. Just a spew

[BulldozerD]

Calling pre is at best optimistic as is continuing after that
You only have 30 bigs

[paulhouk03]

i dont mind a flat if there going crazy post and its a double up if u hit the flop hard
but you havent smashed it on the flop so i fold


probs fold pre as a default line against ppl with no info


are you not ment to be a nit?

[JK]

i dont mind a flat if there going crazy post and its a double up if u hit the flop hard
but you havent smashed it on the flop so i fold


probs fold pre as a default line against ppl with no info


are you not ment to be a nit?

It's good advertisement .

Is this not even remotely close? Surprised everones so sure. I'm aware we're quite shallow but i honestly felt if I caught a decent part and I got get in the middle of it I got get stacks in.

Would like to hear craigs view. Hopefully won't get torn up so bad .

[MANTIS01]

You are justifying your involvement because of the table dynamics but the table dynamics will be the same next hand and the hand after that. You could get involved with every hand you're dealt and hope to flop two pair or better but this is a sure way to spew your chips off. With everybody wanting to get involved in big pots as you say your post flop FE for making moves is gonna be low and your chances of having the best hand often enough to continue are also low. What is the advantage for you here? That you could flop something big? Too shallow for that thought process imo.