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[TRIP5]

None of my family have recieved polling cards.....Sigh, I feel another vote fixing fiasco coming on...

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[david3103]

For those of you with confused cats....



Shouldn't a Referendum on AV have more than just a Yes/No option??

[millidonk]

None of my family have recieved polling cards.....Sigh, I feel another vote fixing fiasco coming on...

xx

same.

[kinboshi]

You don't need a polling card in order to vote.  As long as you're on the electoral register, you can turn up on the day with ID and vote.

[Josedinho]

Not even voting day and we've already got fixing claims....

[redsimon]

For those of you with confused cats....



Shouldn't a Referendum on AV have more than just a Yes/No option??

when theres only two options no ldo

[david3103]

For those of you with confused cats....



Shouldn't a Referendum on AV have more than just a Yes/No option??

when theres only two options no ldo

Ok - badly expressed, BUT why has the choice been narrowed to FTPT vs AV? Why no opportunity to say 'I don't like FPTP, I like AV even less, but I'd vote Yes for a Regional List style of PR'
(NB, I'm not advocating the Regional List per se, just asking why other options that are not FPTP got taken out of the equation)

[The-Crow]

Our local council has put together the AV vote and the county elections on the same day.

If AV was operating before the last General Election,  the Conservatives would have probably lost, lol

Thats why they are against it

[Jon MW]

Our local council has put together the AV vote and the county elections on the same day.

If AV was operating before the last General Election,  the Conservatives would have lost, lol

Thats why they are against it

Bit of an over-simplification.

Basically you can't work out what the results would actually be, you can only make your best guess based on voting and polling data.

All the data I've seen is that the last election would have the Conservatives as the largest party but without an overall majority - whether you used FPTP, AV or any form of PR. The only difference would be the degree to which they were the largest party.

[The-Crow]

your right I'm only guessing.

So like the Lager adverts I added " Probably "

[redsimon]

For those of you with confused cats....



Shouldn't a Referendum on AV have more than just a Yes/No option??

when theres only two options no ldo

Ok - badly expressed, BUT why has the choice been narrowed to FTPT vs AV? Why no opportunity to say 'I don't like FPTP, I like AV even less, but I'd vote Yes for a Regional List style of PR'
(NB, I'm not advocating the Regional List per se, just asking why other options that are not FPTP got taken out of the equation)

Because AV is a miserable little compromise?...I'd prefer a wider choice but guess Coalition based  on compromises?

[thetank]

Paddy Power already paid out the people who punted on 'no' winning.

Feel free to vote anyway.

[thetank]

If the polls are anything to go by it looks like the no vote is going to take it with an absolute landslide.

I think the mistake the yes campaign has made is that they've devoted so much of their energy into talking about how AV isn't complicated.

We've got slogans like...

"AV is as easy as 1,2,3"
"They think you're too dumb to understand the voting system they use on X-factor."
"AV is so easy your dog can do it"
"My 4 year old understands AV"

We've got the Cats and Dogs video the central premise of which is that the cat is confoosed.
We've endless analogies about ordering meals in fish and chips shops and how people like their eggs that are all designed to sell the simple.
We've even got attempts to flip it like kinboshi's flowchart that claims AV is the simple one and FPTP is complex. (good luck with that)

The thing is, by doing all this they've made the argument something that they can't win. When comparing the two voting systems, if you just want to look at complexity vs simplicity with the implicit condition that simple is good then AV is never going to come out on top.
That is basically what the yes campaign have been doing, and the results (going by the polls) have been disastrous for them.

They should have largely ignored the simple/complex argument and instead spent time talking about either...

The positives of AV (whatever they are)
or
The negatives of FPTP.

Fight on ground you can win. Seems pretty basic to me, I don't know why they've got it so wrong. This could have been a much closer campaign.

[thetank]

It's like if me and some rich bloke were trying to chat up the same girl.

I shouldn't be talking about how I'm not really that poor, or about how being poor isn't so bad really.

I should be talking about my great big cock or about how the other guy doesn't know what the capital city of Norway is.

[sovietsong]

Tank you have convinced me to vote no.

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