strange line taken, how do you like it?

[cambridgealex]

PokerStars Game #60621607840:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2011/04/10 18:23:41 WET [2011/04/10 13:23:41 ET]
Table 'Luna X' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: gjrthbcn ($186 in chips)
Seat 2: 20alex430 ($57.85 in chips)
gjrthbcn: posts small blind $0.25
20alex430: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 20alex430 [ ]
gjrthbcn: raises $0.50 to $1
20alex430: raises $2.75 to $3.75
gjrthbcn: calls $2.75
*** FLOP *** [ ]
20alex430: bets $4.75
gjrthbcn: raises $4.75 to $9.50
20alex430: raises $4.75 to $14.25
gjrthbcn: calls $4.75
*** TURN *** [ ] []
20alex430: bets $4
gjrthbcn: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
20alex430: bets $35.85 and is all-in
gjrthbcn: calls $35.85
*** SHOW DOWN ***
20alex430: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Deuces)
gjrthbcn: shows [ ] (a pair of Nines)
20alex430 collected $115.20 from pot

pot ott is $36 and we have $39.85, didnt wanna check and have him check behind and then fold to an overpot shove, i also didnt wanna lead this turn strong as i thought he'd fold a lot of the time.

[stato_1]

dont really like it vs a thinking player. seems fine vs this clown tho

[pleno1]

dont like any street apart from river. pre i def flat too.

[cambridgealex]

dont like any street apart from river. pre i def flat too.

sure is helpful

[pleno1]

you asked how I liked it

I'd never get myself in this situ as I'd never 3bet tiny pairs pre.

Flop cbet size is good, I dont like this min 3bet. Would prefer to call than this, or make it like 18.50 if you want to raise really small. Unless if there is a dynamic, and if there is obv we need it before we can commend. Generally just call as there is not many draws and if he has Qx he will probably bet/call turn anyway.

If you want him to put money in on turn and river I'd rather do 20 then 20, you are obv not tyring to balance and therefore you don't think its important vs this player so 20+20 >>>> 4+35.

By the time you got yourself in this spot on river you bov have to shove as not getting every penny when you got so much in on the flop would just be disastrous.

Stats/dynamics obv v.important too..

[lolwutwasthat]

I would 3bet this sometimes, but probs at a very low percentage against ppl who have high F3betFreq, 3betting pre vs this type of villian is a mistake as hes defending 59o which leads me to think hes defending 85%+ of his range which would put us in alota tough spots in a bloated pot OoP with minimal showdown value. But as played I would bet the flop probs abit bigger as my standard to about 5.50(balanced and also easier to get stacks in) or maybe even bet the pot since he looks like a huge fish(calling pre with 59, im sure you've noticed he's been defending super wide) His minraise on the flop is probs 9x most of the time trying to "see where hes at" Qx, straight draws and air usually raise bigger which is usually the case for bad players as they have terrible bet sizing tells, so I actually like the sizing of your RR on the flop as hes gna continue with near 90% + of his range now, might even be 100% if hes super bad. So now looking at an Ace turn given his range I'd just bet a decent size again most of the time but you can still C/R AI/ C/c All options pretty viable depending on what YOU feel his hand range is weighted more towards; more bluffs? then c/c, More 9x and draws? bet again. Ax? C/r AI! Don't like your logic in betting super tiny with the plan of shoving river as you said betting big on the turn looks strong! You dont think shoving river looks strong? You're probs gna say"but hes bad" But if hes bad, you think betting strong on the turn is going to make a difference? You also said u didnt want him checking behind. The only hands a bad player is going to check behind there is probs 33-88 and 9x but probs turn 33-88 into a bluff using the ace as a scarecard as you've shown weakness checking once the ACE hit.  So yeh, if i c/c turn im gna c/s river, if I bet turn I shove river. Ofc against a decent/gd player I'd play this completely different, but vs a fish its more down to the game flow and your reads on his tendencies to pick the right line.

More blabbing from me, hope it helped again

[SuuPRlim]

Just to help you all out

I would 3bet this sometimes, but probs at a very low percentage against ppl who have high F3betFreq, 3betting pre vs this type of villian is a mistake as hes defending 59o which leads me to think hes defending 85%+ of his range.

But as played I would bet the flop probs abit bigger as my standard to about 5.50(balanced and also easier to get stacks in) or maybe even bet the pot since he looks like a huge fish(calling pre with 59, im sure you've noticed he's been defending super wide)

His minraise on the flop is probs 9x most of the time trying to "see where hes at" Qx, straight draws and air usually raise bigger which is usually the case for bad players as they have terrible bet sizing tells, so I actually like the sizing of your RR on the flop as hes gna continue with near 90% + of his range now, might even be 100% if hes super bad.

So now looking at an Ace turn given his range I'd just bet a decent size again most of the time but you can still C/R AI/ C/c All options pretty viable depending on what YOU feel his hand range is weighted more towards;

more bluffs? then c/c,
More 9x and draws? bet again.
Ax? C/r AI!

Don't like your logic in betting super tiny with the plan of shoving river as you said betting big on the turn looks strong! You dont think shoving river looks strong? You're probs gna say"but hes bad" But if hes bad, you think betting strong on the turn is going to make a difference?

You also said u didnt want him checking behind. The only hands a bad player is going to check behind there is probs 33-88 and 9x but probs turn 33-88 into a bluff using the ace as a scarecard as you've shown weakness checking once the ACE hit.  So yeh, if i c/c turn im gna c/s river, if I bet turn I shove river. Ofc against a decent/gd player I'd play this completely different, but vs a fish its more down to the game flow and your reads on his tendencies to pick the right line.

More blabbing from me, hope it helped again

[SuuPRlim]

Agree vs a fish id bet flop a bit bigger, so we can set up a 3barrel that involves all the chips in the middle. once he min raises on a board this dry im calling a donking the turn again reverting to my original plan of barreling the stacks in. not too many scare cards for either range

as played bet bigger on the turn but still bet small, iod be betting something like 18 leaving you a shove where he is calling 21 into 93 on the river and will stuggle to fold anything, as opposed to a pot sized shove where he might "hero fold" his 9

[lolwutwasthat]

thx dude lol im super lazy with my grammar especially when I've had no slp :p