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« Reply #240 on: May 05, 2011, 01:08:32 PM »



Dude. I'm curious about your avatar. I mean, why ffs?

While I'm on the subject, I also hate gatso's "Yeasty clunge" strapline.

 


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« Reply #241 on: May 05, 2011, 01:34:03 PM »

Anyone managed to get a withdrawal off Full Tilt within the last two weeks? Been waiting 13 days now for a Neteller withdrawal..

Tilt to Neteller is taking an age for everyone, in the last couple of days people have started to get their money.

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« Reply #242 on: May 05, 2011, 03:09:42 PM »

Anyone managed to get a withdrawal off Full Tilt within the last two weeks? Been waiting 13 days now for a Neteller withdrawal..

i just got a 5fig xfer yesterday from tilt> neteller. I cashed out weekend of black friday.
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« Reply #243 on: May 05, 2011, 04:56:36 PM »

Glad the Neteller withdrawals are coming through, requested mine a week after black Friday so will hopefully get mine in the next week.
However the e-mail from Full Tilt didn't offer any update at all.

Hello Paul.

We apologize for the situation here.

As we mentioned in previous email that we are working on it to have the option installed as soon as possible.

However, we are not in a position to give out an exactly date and time that the transaction will be done as there are several parties involved.

Rest assured we are working on the alternative solution for our players who have been effected by this issue.

We appreciate your patience and cooperation at this stage.

Regards,

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« Reply #244 on: May 05, 2011, 06:37:38 PM »

That would certainly bother me...


He doesn't know the difference between affected and effected! Obviously unreliable.
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« Reply #245 on: May 05, 2011, 10:39:10 PM »

Will be pleased when I get an exactly date..
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« Reply #246 on: May 06, 2011, 06:12:05 PM »

Received a withdrawal from Tilt to Neteller yesterday, waited 2 weeks or so on it.
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« Reply #247 on: May 06, 2011, 06:44:22 PM »

Received a withdrawal from Tilt to Neteller yesterday, waited 2 weeks or so on it.

same here
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« Reply #248 on: May 06, 2011, 06:56:21 PM »

Some sick withdrawal brags on this thread.

I don't know about withdrawals but I can confirm that depositting remains as easy as ever.
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« Reply #249 on: May 06, 2011, 07:13:14 PM »

Some sick withdrawal brags on this thread.

I don't know about withdrawals but I can confirm that depositting remains as easy as ever.

Yup they def still accept snap deposits
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« Reply #250 on: May 06, 2011, 07:33:08 PM »

Stars and AP/UB offices raided in Costa Rica by OIJ (which I think is the Costa Rican equivalent of the FBI).
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« Reply #251 on: May 08, 2011, 06:26:46 PM »

The Department of Homeland Security has requested that Mozilla, the maker of the Firefox browser, remove an add-on that allows web surfers to access websites whose domain names were seized by the government for copyright infringement, Mozilla’s lawyer said Thursday.

But Mozilla did not remove the MafiaaFire add-on, and instead has demanded the government explain why it should. Two weeks have passed, and the government has not responded to Mozilla’s questions, including whether the government considers the add-on unlawful and whether Mozilla is “legally obligated” to remove it. The DHS has also not provided the organization with a court order requiring its removal, the lawyer said.

“One of the fundamental issues here is under what conditions do intermediaries accede to government requests that have a censorship effect and which may threaten the open internet,” Harvey Anderson, Mozilla’s lawyer, wrote Thursday on his blog.

Neither Homeland Security nor Anderson immediately responded for comment.

The add-on in question redirects traffic from seized domains to other domains outside the United States’ reach. Since last year, the U.S. government has seized at least 120 domains in an antipiracy assault known as “Operation in Our Sites.” The domains are taken under the same federal statute used to seize drug houses.

Many of the seized sites have been redirected by their owners to domains being hosted where the United States cannot legally touch them The United States controls so-called top-level domains like .com, .net and .org.

The add-on has been downloaded more than 6,400 times
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« Reply #252 on: May 08, 2011, 06:58:38 PM »


In the days after "Black Friday", non-US online poker rooms such as Party Poker went on the offensive, rightly sensing that Pokerstars, Full Tilt Poker and UB/AP were vulnerable. After years of watching Pokerstars and Full Tilt Poker build up their market share (thanks to their decision to remain open to the US market after 2006), Party Poker and other non-US rooms finally thought that their time had come, and that the playing field had been leveled overnight.

After "Black Friday", the online poker community was bewildered and nervous. Would Pokerstars, Full Tilt Poker and AP/UB collapse under the weight of a DOJ investigation? Would US players be repaid? Would non-US players be repaid?

It was imperative that all three networks stabilize their operations and pay out US players ASAP in order to maintain the trust of their customers. One room managed to do just that (Pokerstars), while Full Tilt Poker and UB/AP continue to trip, bumble and stumble.

Thanks to the strict licensing requirements of the Isle of Man government, Pokerstars has always kept player funds segregated from company assets. Thanks to this policy, Pokerstars was able to pay back their US players quickly after getting the green light from US authorities.

Full Tilt Poker and UB/AP, on the other hand, are a completely different story. It's probably going to be May 15th before we even get another UPDATE from Full Tilt Poker in regards to US player payouts, and UB/AP.. well, we won't even get into that, as that appears to be an even bigger mess.

Although Full Tilt Poker and UB/AP continue to service the non-US markets, players outside of the US HAVE to be watching closely in regards to US player payouts.

In one corner, you have Pokerstars. Pokerstars started paying back US players roughly 10 days ago, plus they have also allowed US players to start cashing out their FPPs. It's clear that Pokerstars was on the ball when it came to their accounting and the segregation of player funds.

In the other corner you have Full Tilt Poker and UB/AP. Neither site has paid back their US players, and both sites are looking increasingly bad with each passing day. Full Tilt Poker has been very slow in handling cashouts for their non-US players, while UB/AP has limited withdrawals for their non-US players (and these withdrawals have been very slow in getting processed).

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According to Pokerscout.com, Pokerstars has lost roughly 26% of its traffic since "Black Friday". A steep hit, but certainly not disastrous.

Given how well they have handled things in the post-"Black Friday" environment, I would expect Pokerstars to continue growing in the weeks and months ahead. I think that Pokerstars is going to grab a large number of Full Tilt Poker's non-US players thanks to the response of the two sites to "Black Friday". After all, with each passing day that Full Tilt Poker doesn't pay back its US players, Pokerstars looks like a better and safer option.

Thanks to Pokerstars' quick (and successful) handling of their US players, they have been able to head off an advance from sites such as Party Poker. Party Poker has seen its traffic grow 10% since "Black Friday", but most of that growth came in the first week after April 15th. Pokerstars is still where most of the action is, and with worries about Pokerstars' survivability having been largely removed, players will continue to flock there.

Until online poker legislation is signed into law in the United States, I just don't see anybody coming even close to challenging Pokerstars. In my opinion, their handling of "Black Friday" will eventually put even more distance between them and competitors such as Full Tilt Poker.

http://www.pokerkingblog.com/2011/05/08/pokerstars-is-winning-big-in-post-black-friday-environment/
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« Reply #253 on: May 08, 2011, 07:58:55 PM »

No mention that pokerstars are the reason black friday happened....

Elaborate???
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« Reply #254 on: May 08, 2011, 08:01:17 PM »

No mention that pokerstars are the reason black friday happened....

They may well be but they have handled the situation extremely well and are currently looking very good.

FT are not looking at all good and their silence/lack of positive action must bring into question why the average player should continue to play there.
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