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« Reply #795 on: September 29, 2011, 07:19:19 PM »

If they are not bothering to check on the companies they license it makes you wonder about any other companies that use the AGCC.

Which poker licensing institutions would you trust then?
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« Reply #796 on: September 30, 2011, 03:19:34 PM »

The executive director of the Alderney Gambling Control Commission (AGCC) has branded Full Tilt Poker 'wicked' and said they were right to revoke their license yesterday. Andre Wilsenach spoke exclusively to James Bennett of EGaming Review in an interview today.

Wilsenach refused to accept any responsibility for the AGCC being unable to spot the $331 million, that was seized by the Department of Justice between 2007 and 2011, sooner. He put the blame firmly on Full Tilt Poker when he was questioned about it:

“Are you suggesting that we are wicked? I blame it absolutely on Full Tilt. In my view it’s absolutely right that the commission has decided to revoke their licences."

He went on to say that the only person who could have made them aware of the frozen funds were Full Tilt themselves, claiming that "If your operator doesn’t tell then there’s no way you would know.”

Wilsenach also commented that the regulator first had concerns last year, but it was not until “March or April” 2011 that the AGCC “started investigating” Full Tilt themselves with an external accountant and forensic auditors.

The AGCC were not in contact with the DOJ at any time during their investigation, but Wilsenach did not blame them for not sharing information with them. He did comment that he believed the DOJ should speak with regulators when they are conducting investigations.

Wilsenach concluded the interview by suggesting that this was not an isolated incident, and suggested could have happened at the other former US facing poker rooms:

“Do you think for a minute that the other operators, Pokerstars and Absolute, do you think that their regulators knew that the DoJ was freezing their funds? Don’t for a minute think that in April Black Friday was the first time they froze funds. What in actual fact happened, over a period of time, is they were freezing funds in payment processors accounts and every time the fund was frozen the operator moved to another payment processor, funds are frozen and they moved again. Eventually it leaves a trail of payment processors with frozen funds in."
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« Reply #797 on: September 30, 2011, 04:09:12 PM »

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Hopes for the survival of Full Tilt Poker faded yesterday when Alderney’s gambling regulators revoked the firm’s operator licences for “fundamentally misleading” them over hundreds of millions of dollars of missing funds, dismissing Full Tilt's proposals for financial rescue.

On Tuesday Full Tilt’s lawyers had asked the Alderney Gambling Control Commission’s tribunal to further postpone its announcement, so as not to prejudice ongoing commercial negotiations with a series of unnamed investors.

But after adjournments of 54 days during which Full Tilt attempted to secure a buyer, the AGCC found that Full Tilt, which was last week accused of running a “global Ponzi scheme” by US federal prosecutors, committed a string of serious regulatory breaches that justified the revocation of its licences, and had offered no coherent plans for refinancing.

André Wilsenach, Alderney’s chief regulator, told GamblingCompliance: “The AGCC has been made aware of a series of prospective purchasers. Our view — to the extent that we have been exposed to these buyers — is that we have not seen any indication of a buyer with a credible deal on the table.”

“If they had come to the commission with someone who had been to the US and had signed terms with the DoJ that would have been taken seriously but they did not.”

Full Tilt subsidiaries Vantage Ltd, Filco Ltd and Oxalic Ltd were all stripped of their e-gambling licences for offences including false reporting, unauthorised provision of credit, and failure to report material events.

In a press release published via an affiliate site, Full Tilt said that during the hearing it had "offered the testimony of an investor interested in acquiring the company".

Slamming the "damage done by the commission and its disregard for our players", Full Tilt said: "The commission’s decision to revoke Full Tilt Poker’s operating licences makes it more difficult to execute the sale of the company and hence repay its players."

Still, the AGCC yesterday left the door open for the resurrection of Full Tilt’s business under new management, but its determination notice detailed a withering litany of abuses.

Full Tilt failed to report to the Alderney regulators approximately $331m of funds seized by the US Department of Justice over a four-year period, according to the determination notice.

The 26-page notice also showed that Full Tilt subsidiary Vantage Ltd racked up at least $128m in uncollected payments from players.

“At a hearing held in London over six days, it emerged that FTP had fundamentally misled AGCC about their operational integrity by continuously reporting as liquid funds balances that had been covertly seized or restrained by US authorities, or that were otherwise not actually available to the operator,” the Alderney regulator said yesterday in a press release. 

Wilsenach told GamblingCompliance that Alderney’s forensic accountants had uncovered a two-year-old trail of frozen accounts, which the company had abandoned, moving at every stage to new payment processors.

"It’s very evident that there were a number of covert actions by the DoJ which resulted in a contingency that Full Tilt never provided for," said Wilsenach.

“When the DoJ froze more funds on April 15 that was the last straw. There were a string of accounts that were no longer available for the operator to do anything with.”

A probe by accountants for the AGCC also revealed that Vantage Ltd carried out gambling transactions between players despite not being able to find any payment processors to collect their funds.

This meant poker was being played on "credit", AGCC commissioners ruled, despite Full Tilt assuring the regulator it “does not offer credit to customers, therefore no bad debts due to a default on credit should be incurred”.

The Alderney Commission’s decision, which Wilsenach conceded could now be appealed first at the Alderney Court then to the Royal Court in Guernsey, leaves Full Tilt’s hopes for a sale to an investor, believed to be the French entrepreneur Laurent Tapie, floundering.

Analysts yesterday said that any "white knight" deal would likely try to strip out key assets from the firm’s multi-million dollar legal liabilities, and might trigger the bankruptcy of the operating company.

“If you ring-fence just the technology, maybe you can sell that off,” Mike Campbell, analyst for Daniel Stewart, said. “But the player funds are a large part of the liabilities, and who’s going to come in and pick up that tab?”

One of the company’s prized assets, the marketing and technology back-up offered by Irish subsidiary Pocket Kings was left unharmed yesterday by the AGCC investigation.

Alderney’s commissioners ruled they had insufficient evidence on the Dublin-based operation, where Full Tilt plans to axe up to 250 jobs, to judge whether it was a “fit and proper person to be associated with the operations of an eGambling licensee”.

It was more bad news for Full Tilt’s bereft poker players, though, as the AGCC washed its hands of responsibility for lost funds claims.

“Unresolved claims by players against FTP become a matter for the police and civil authorities. Now that FTP’s licences have been revoked, AGCC no longer has jurisdiction over these companies,” the ruling said.

Alderney’s Wilsenach noted though that the AGCC would now seek to learn lessons from the events of the past five months: “It would be shortsighted of us and any regulator not to go back and retrospectively see what had taken place. The one issue that stands out for us is the issue of player funds and whether there is now a better way to secure those funds.”

Meanwhile, yesterday the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York took the step of answering inquiries it had received from players seeking the recovery of their cash from the beleaguered operator, and said that it would now actively seek to pursue the funds on behalf of players, but could not be certain that money would eventually be returned.

The US authorities noted that Full Tilt had secured an agreement for the return of its domain name to allow player funds to be returned but had not used the opportunity because, "Full Tilt Poker did not in fact have player funds on hand to return to players".

“We cannot predict the duration of proceedings in this case, other than to state that they will last for many months at the least.”
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« Reply #798 on: September 30, 2011, 04:17:20 PM »

and now

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"Full Tilt Poker and Groupe Bernard Tapie Sign Acquisition Agreement

Dublin, Ireland (September 30, 2011) Laurent Tapie, Managing Director of ‘Groupe Bernard Tapie’ announced today that the group has signed an exclusive agreement with the Board of Directors of Full Tilt Poker to acquire the company and all of its associated assets.

This agreement, which includes the repayment of Full Tilt Poker’s world-wide players in full, is subject to several conditions; the first of which is a favorable resolution with the United States Department of Justice. Discussions with the United States Department of Justice will begin immediately.

‘Groupe Bernard Tapie’ has over 30 years of experience in the salvation of financially distressed businesses, with over 40 companies acquired and managed to profitability, the most well-known being the sport equipment giant, Adidas."

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/Full-Tilt-Poker-and-Groupe-Bernard-Tapie-Sign-Acquisition-Agreement_52195/
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« Reply #799 on: September 30, 2011, 04:19:01 PM »

Hmm, do you think their discussion with the DoJ might be "can we have that $300 million back to pay the players please?"
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« Reply #800 on: September 30, 2011, 04:25:39 PM »

Hmm, do you think their discussion with the DoJ might be "can we have that $300 million back to pay the players please?"

Must be.

I'm guessing they bought the entire thing for pennies, assuming they will have to fork out several hundred mill to cover the gaps in the current accounting they can't have paid much...you wouldn't think.

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This agreement, which includes the repayment of Full Tilt Poker’s world-wide players in full, is subject to several conditions; the first of which is a favorable resolution with the United States Department of Justice. Discussions with the United States Department of Justice will begin immediately.

What would be considered a "favourable resolution"? A massive fine? Only the original owners to be held accountable for any past erm..discrepancies and illegality and no come-back onto the new owners?
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« Reply #801 on: September 30, 2011, 04:36:40 PM »

VIVA LE FRANCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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« Reply #802 on: September 30, 2011, 04:38:40 PM »

VIVA LE FRANCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Wouldn't be counting on seeing your money back just yet mate.

Odds on DoJ being nice to the Frenchies after calling FTP a giant Ponzi scheme?
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« Reply #803 on: September 30, 2011, 04:58:33 PM »

Bernard Tapie was the guy who owned Marseille when they were involved in match-fixing.

Is he involved in this or is it just his son running things now?
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« Reply #804 on: September 30, 2011, 05:06:08 PM »

Bernard Tapie was the guy who owned Marseille when they were involved in match-fixing.

Is he involved in this or is it just his son running things now?

Can't find any mention of him being involved on an English website (My french is terrible these days, oh the shame and I will need to address this again soon, there might be a mention on a french website but I wouldn't be able to make much sense of it Sad
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« Reply #805 on: September 30, 2011, 06:24:26 PM »

Yep  Tapie was the man behind Marseillies winning of the 1st ever Champs League in 1992, screwing over Rangers pretty horrendously Sad  I hope he burns
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« Reply #806 on: September 30, 2011, 07:37:24 PM »

In his first interview, Laurent Tapie says he believes in the Full Tilt project and has the funds to repay players, but admits there is “still a long way to go”

Laurent Tapie has confirmed he has agreed to take over Full Tilt Poker and in his first interview with a media outlet, he told iGaming France that he “wouldn’t have undertaken such a project if he didn’t believe in its potential”.

Full Tilt Poker and Groupe Bernard Tapie, the company bearing his father’s first name that is carrying out the deal, put out a statement today saying they had signed an exclusive agreement to sell the company and all of its associated assets.

The agreement would include the repayment of Full Tilt Poker’s world-wide players in full, is subject to several conditions; the first of which is a favorable resolution with the United States Department of Justice.

Tapie wouldn’t be drawn on the specifics on how much money his company would put on the table, but added: “We have shown that we have the funds necessary to repay player debts. We want to find ways where we don’t have to put in all the money and will be talking to the US Department of Justice next week.”

He would also not be drawn on what kind of compromise he would agree to with the American authorities that could lead to players getting their funds back, but Full Tilt is believed to have player debts of more than US$200m and a figure of US$300m has been widely touted as the minimum amount any acquiring company would need to get it up and running again.

However, the DOJ has frozen around US$331m of Full Tilt players’ funds that were held by online payment companies for the operator. A potential solution could therefore see the DOJ agreeing to return as much of that money as possible to players, while pursuing its civil and criminal cases against Full Tilt’s management. Tapie would then be able to finance any outstanding debts (which would be considerably less) and reopen the site.

He also confirmed the site would keep the Full Tilt Poker brand: “The brand is not in question, it’s a well-known brand and the technology is widely recognized as being possibly the best in the industry. The management of the company is being questioned and it will be changed (should the takeover be concluded). I believe we have the tools necessary to once again make the site one of the leaders in the online poker sector.”

Tapie added there was “still a long way to go” before the deal is definitely done but said he hoped to have the site reopened by January 2012.

iGaming France understands the deal signed by Tapie is a binding agreement which he can exit if he doesn’t reach agreement with the different parties he’s in discussions with and that Groupe Bernard Tapie is currently the only investor, but there could be new investors coming into the structure as the project develops.
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He also confirmed the site would keep the Full Tilt Poker brand: “The brand is not in question, it’s a well-known brand and the technology is widely recognized as being possibly the best in the industry. The management of the company is being questioned and it will be changed (should the takeover be concluded). I believe we have the tools necessary to once again make the site one of the leaders in the online poker sector.”


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« Reply #808 on: September 30, 2011, 07:50:23 PM »



He also confirmed the site would keep the Full Tilt Poker brand: “The brand is not in question, it’s a well-known brand and the technology is widely recognized as being possibly the best in the industry. The management of the company is being questioned and it will be changed (should the takeover be concluded). I believe we have the tools necessary to once again make the site one of the leaders in the online poker sector.”


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He's probably right though. Players that played on FTP will flock back to it as soon as it starts up again. I've no doubt of that.
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« Reply #809 on: September 30, 2011, 07:57:56 PM »

While the poker world was discussing the AGCC’s decision to revoke Full Tilt Pokers licenses, Ray Bitar was filing his claim against some seized assets that occurred on Black Friday.

Bitar, citing his legal and equitable ownership interests in some of the in rem defendants, made his claim, as required by Rule G of the Supplemental Rules for Admiralty or Maritime and Asset Forfeiture Claims. He has also claimed ownership of the domain names.1

Bitar specifically cites his ownership interests in Full Tilt Ltd. and Tiltware LLC, although he stopped short of confirming a definitive ownership percentage in either.

He has further asserted legal and equitable ownership interest in the bank accounts of those companies, in addition to at least one in his own personal name, that are listed in the amended civil complaint, filed on September 20th.2 He specifically names the following bank accounts, but does not limit his claim to further include others:

    *  account 1892947126, held at Comerica Bank, Dallas, Texas, in the name of Tiltware, and all funds traceable thereto
    *  account 1892947134, held at Comerica Bank, Dallas, Texas, in the name of Tiltware and all funds traceable thereto
    *  account GB81 RBOS 6905 4234 0877 66 held at NatWest in the name of Raymond Bitar and all funds traceable thereto

Bitar also specifically alleges that

    My interest in these above-referenced properties is legal and equitable ownership, an ownership interest acquired by my lawful establishment of those entities and my entirely lawful hard work performed for said companies over the years. The assets subject to forfeiture are neither proceeds nor instrumentalities of any crimes in any jurisdiction in the United States or elsewhere.

Bitar asserts that his interest trumps that of the government and that he not only disputes the government’s forfeiture allegations, but asks for the opportunity to challenge the governments claims, both on factual and legal grounds.

His verified claim was notarized in Dublin and filed in the US Court through his New York attorney, Richard W. Levitt.
Footnotes

   1. The FullTiltPoker.com domain name was seized on Black Friday, although the DOJ later allowed FTP use of the domain so that they could facilitate withdrawals to US players while continuing with their non-US business. Such withdrawals have never taken place. ↩
   2. The two Tiltware accounts were listed in the original civil complaint filed on April 15th, while the NatWest account in Bitar’s name was originally mentioned in the criminal indictment but added to the amended civil complaint. ↩

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