tedious ruling thread

[George2Loose]

C off limps. Sb taps the table to check. Dealer points out him he has to make up to call. He says "ok then I'm all in"

Should he be allowed to? Ruling was called

[WarBwastard]

Tapping table same as announcing call?  Should only be able to call I reckon.

[Cf]

Erm.. my gut says no.

This reasoning might be flimsy but I'd take his "check" as a call. Eg, blinds are 100/200 and you throw a 1000 in to call. It then gets raised to 1000 and is back to you. Tapping the table is accepted as a verbal call here. So by checking in that manner he's at best calling the bet.

[mondatoo]

Sb has AA+

[Eirrabs]

Call at most.  He showed zero intention to raise. 

[Boba Fett]

All options open imo, if he wanted to fold it would surely be allowed?  If he thought he was BB and checked, realised he was Sb then it is fair enough that he can be allowed to fold and not be held to call by trying to check.  In that case, his attempted check cannot be held as a call and therefore he has option to call/raise/fold

[Cf]

Erm.. my gut says no.

This reasoning might be flimsy but I'd take his "check" as a call. Eg, blinds are 100/200 and you throw a 1000 in to call. It then gets raised to 1000 and is back to you. Tapping the table is accepted as a verbal call here. So by checking in that manner he's at best calling the bet.

Slightly more relevent example. Blinds are 100/200 and SB has no change so just puts 500 in. It's back around to him and he taps the table. This is taken as a call.

I don't like having all options open. I think it's too open to angle shooting.

Just view his illegal action as an out of turn action. He can't do higher than what he wanted to do in the first place. In this instance we view making up the SB to be the same as checking.

Or something like that.

[cambridgealex]

If he doesnt already have an oversized chip in (ie. has 100chip in for his 100small blind) then I'd say all options open as tapping the table means fuck all. If he has a 500 chip in for his small blind at 100/200, then tapping the table means call so he has to call the 200.

[doubleup]

It iseems to be an angleshoot - so depends on whether the TD wants to discourage angleshooting due to the bad feeling it creates. 

[borman09]

The server rules includes a rule that directs any incoming mails into A folder and my client rule has a rule that directs mails into B folder will mails still be directed into B folder, i mean the mails should have already been directed into A folder by the time the client rule is excuted.

[kinboshi]

The server rules includes a rule that directs any incoming mails into A folder and my client rule has a rule that directs mails into B folder will mails still be directed into B folder, i mean the mails should have already been directed into A folder by the time the client rule is excuted.

#botfail

[skolsuper]

Not an angleshoot IMO, since he gains no info off the other players (unless the bb snap checks behind I suppose), more of a ridiculous hollywood and it seems different places have a different idea of whether hollywooding (yep) is 'cheating'. I remember the old gutshot used to be very strict that you couldn't even talk while you were in a hand.

Personally I think they should be allowed, especially hollywoods as hilarious as this one, for example when someone who goes to fold their hand utg and is stopped by the dealer because they are actually in the bb, they always grab their hand back. I've always wanted to see someone 3bet shove over a raise in that spot, would be incred

[Cf]

Not an angleshoot IMO, since he gains no info off the other players (unless the bb snap checks behind I suppose), more of a ridiculous hollywood and it seems different places have a different idea of whether hollywooding (yep) is 'cheating'. I remember the old gutshot used to be very strict that you couldn't even talk while you were in a hand.

Personally I think they should be allowed, especially hollywoods as hilarious as this one, for example when someone who goes to fold their hand utg and is stopped by the dealer because they are actually in the bb, they always grab their hand back. I've always wanted to see someone 3bet shove over a raise in that spot, would be incred

See, the dealer shouldn't stop him in that scenario imo. Then his out of turn fold should stand when it comes to him.

[skolsuper]

Not an angleshoot IMO, since he gains no info off the other players (unless the bb snap checks behind I suppose), more of a ridiculous hollywood and it seems different places have a different idea of whether hollywooding (yep) is 'cheating'. I remember the old gutshot used to be very strict that you couldn't even talk while you were in a hand.

Personally I think they should be allowed, especially hollywoods as hilarious as this one, for example when someone who goes to fold their hand utg and is stopped by the dealer because they are actually in the bb, they always grab their hand back. I've always wanted to see someone 3bet shove over a raise in that spot, would be incred

See, the dealer shouldn't stop him in that scenario imo. Then his out of turn fold should stand when it comes to him.

You are a cold and joyless individual

[Cf]

Not an angleshoot IMO, since he gains no info off the other players (unless the bb snap checks behind I suppose), more of a ridiculous hollywood and it seems different places have a different idea of whether hollywooding (yep) is 'cheating'. I remember the old gutshot used to be very strict that you couldn't even talk while you were in a hand.

Personally I think they should be allowed, especially hollywoods as hilarious as this one, for example when someone who goes to fold their hand utg and is stopped by the dealer because they are actually in the bb, they always grab their hand back. I've always wanted to see someone 3bet shove over a raise in that spot, would be incred

See, the dealer shouldn't stop him in that scenario imo. Then his out of turn fold should stand when it comes to him.

You are a cold and joyless individual

lol. I find it funny when someone folds their BB by accident.