AK in a cash game (.5/1)

[mondatoo]

sometimes we get blown off the best hand if we bet, sometimes we deceive them and get a bet out of say 88 that sorta stuff.  i think bet folding is fine but i'd just check call, i'd probs check call AA too

Think it's pretty unlikely someone who sat down with £40 is going to do anything but play his hand face up on such a scary flop.

[George2Loose]

Agree. Live cash this is an easy bet/fold. They never raise with worse and fish with so many hands here

[DMorgan]

Pretty stunned at all the talk about strong hands and being beat here

Pre the guy can easily get to the flop with 80% of hands and we have TPTK which is pretty much the nuts at this point and check folding the nuts even on the wettest board ever is never gunna be good.

Don't know how the 99>AA or AQ > AK hands happened but that's gunna decide how I'm playing this hand. If he was spazzy in those hands I'd probably look to check/call down and if he was really stationy and got there then just bet/bet/jam safe-ish cards.

 The fact that there are a lot of bad turns for you isn't a good enough reason to fold against a guy that's gunna play his hand pretty face up.

[redarmi]

Don't think anyone is suggesting that we are beat here.  We clearly have a very strong hand but it is a hand that is likely to be up against other hands that could easily improve to beat us or are already beating us.  For that reason checking and giving the risk of a free card is surely the wrong move whereas if we bet then we fold out some of the danger hands and get an idea of when we are up against the hands that are beating us.  i don't think that the potential of making a straight with a ten is a reason enough to give the chance of a free card.  I think it is interesting that the guys that think check call is the right line both play at a higher level generally and come up against players that are able to bluff and semi bluff on boards like this so it may be that the optimal line is very much different depending upon the game but I really find it hard to believe in this spot it is the right play.

[cambridgealex]

NB: live 50/1 players don't bluff in general. No-one is gonna be betting 88 or 99 here.

[SuuPRlim]

FWIW I think check/call is absolutely fine, we under-rep our hand slightly and get to to pot control a bit, once it goes chk/chk we can most likely get two biggish barrells off nearly ANY one pair hand.

In regards to where bet folding is better than chk calling, this is in spots where villains have no range to bluff at all, but have a very loose calling range...so we get value of there bad calls but they never raise a range we beat so its easy to fold if they raise...

I dont think this is one of those spots tbh, I think a line that pot controls slightly/defines his range, and under-reps our hand has a lot of merit in this situation. Our hand isnt THAT venerable so letting it chk through is no biggy either.

I think the deciding factor in this flop spot is how he behaves with his weaker value range (hands like AJ/JT/QT) if he is raising this on the flop then bet fold is terrible, if he is chking them back then chk call is terrible. By instinct would be that he bets these hands a lot which makes we wanna lean to a chk call in this spot.

chk folding is pretty weird I surprised you did that

[outragous76]

Ty lilD

Reasons for the fold given. There was no fold consideration at all when I checked until he bet the pot! I was in for 3 buy ins, couldn't decide how to play a blank turn so moved on.

I'm not arrogant enough to think I play every hand well, and I Obv tend to post the weird ones! I was happy with my fold at the time as there were so many spots to pick up money I didn't need to take a high variance hand here when I'd already done my nuts.

Fwiw the guy shows so was never folding and I don't mind not flipping in that spot

[cambridgealex]

Ty lilD

Reasons for the fold given. There was no fold consideration at all when I checked until he bet the pot! I was in for 3 buy ins, couldn't decide how to play a blank turn so moved on.

I'm not arrogant enough to think I play every hand well, and I Obv tend to post the weird ones! I was happy with my fold at the time as there were so many spots to pick up money I didn't need to take a high variance hand here when I'd already done my nuts.

Fwiw the guy shows so was never folding and I don't mind not flipping in that spot

cawllllll that

[GreekStein]

[ ] Flipping

[GreekStein]

Also, if I'm stuck 3 bi, I'm never avoiding a flip

[outragous76]

[ ] Flipping

Your right we have the worst of it!

[celebspec]

Also, if I'm stuck 3 bi, I'm never avoiding a flip

very much this.

[GreekStein]

Guy uve gone wobbly in the head. Wtfs happened? Srsly

[redarmi]

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Your right we have the worst of it!

Can you explain your maths here??

[SuuPRlim]

I mean, cos live poker has so many external variables, often really terrible plays are the best vacuum ones because of X Y or Z reason, which is fair enough. But no1 is ever chk/folding here is a stnd situation, cos its a bad play, for a host of reasons which im sure you know.

The situation was obviously non-stnd in your opinion, hence why you made this move, which still seems to be a bad play, but im sure you had ur reasons...

FWIW actually disagree bet fold is the best play as well, Id lean closer to a bet/call than a bet fold but happy with chk/call also.