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« on: May 09, 2011, 11:18:07 AM » |
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Posting this on behalf of somebody i know.... Blinds 2K/4K ante 400 35 left so min cash gtd Hero 160K Villain (covers) Mp (?) Hero is in BB with   , MP flats as does Button, small blind passes Hero checks.. Flop is    Hero bets 35K ? Mp folds Button Shoves Hero ? |
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outragous76
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2011, 11:24:02 AM » |
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Hand cant be right - why does he overbet the flop by 2x pot?
(assuming blinds are different - and just looking at the pattern of the hand itself)
Need info on villain - age, style etc etc
Dont donk lead here - its terrible
In live poker a limp overshove is often indicative of a big hand (or moreso limp, bet pot), so I can probs find a fairly easy fold - but all that depends on alot more info being provided
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millidonk
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 11:42:19 AM » |
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Abso hate the 35k donk lead, but disagreeing with Guy slightly in the fact that once you are in the money and you face these gross over shoves, from my experience they are normally draws that the player is unwilling to fold/happy to go with.
Surely he jams 66-1010 here also? more likely to be a ragged sooted ace imo. abso worst case is 33,55,aj,jk all of which i personally would be inclined to raise with pre. Would expect to have more info on Villain at this stage but as hand played:
Sigh call and hope to fade is probs my line if i had somehow put myself in this spot, sigh fold and learn lesson on donk leading is probs most people's line i reckon.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2011, 11:45:58 AM » |
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Blinds may be different not an easy task getting the whole hand history out of him, this was his first deepstack he satted in cheap as he normally plays £15 comps.. I didn't like the bet on the flop and also thought it was an easy fold but as i've not made day 2 yet i thought i'd get some feedback for him..
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2011, 11:47:54 AM » |
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Blinds may be different not an easy task getting the whole hand history out of him, this was his first deepstack he satted in cheap as he normally plays £15 comps.. I didn't like the bet on the flop and also thought it was an easy fold but as i've not made day 2 yet i thought i'd get some feedback for him..
never go broke in an unraised pot... messed up myself 2 off the bubble in a massive mistake by me going with my heart n not my head. |
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2011, 11:51:25 AM » |
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Stacks are Obv hugely important here for the pre flop action
Eg, can't see villain limping behind with 88-TT, therefore I don't have them in his range
There is a good chance he does it with a suited A so I def agree with Milligan there.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2011, 11:52:39 AM » |
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...learn lesson on donk leading...
It's only a donk lead if he's leading into a raiser, no? If it's been limped around, what do you want him to do- go for a check raise? Check fold? Does he want to give his opponent free cards? |
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outragous76
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2011, 11:54:53 AM » |
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Well if he intends to get it in I prefer a c/r
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2011, 12:00:39 PM » |
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Never go broke in a limped pot is very sound advice!! Tell your mate this. As i haven't limped into a pot in the last 5 yrs this has never been an option for me. Obv all advice is as the hand is played. Interesting to know when people fold what actual hand they are putting the Villain on? Looking forward to the reveal. ...learn lesson on donk leading...
It's only a donk lead if he's leading into a raiser, no? If it's been limped around, what do you want him to do- go for a check raise? Check fold? Does he want to give his opponent free cards? If i was in this spot i would happily c/r and get it in. Leading gives you the chance to easily get bet off the pot. I would rather c/c c/r then b/f this flop all day. We are beating far too much. Obv we are giving free cards away but rather that than free money. As i said I would never have put myself in this spot, so can only give 'advice' as i would play it. Guessed most people would fold. But i'm sure most wouldn't be in this spot. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2011, 12:05:01 PM » |
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Villain has AJ
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2011, 12:34:56 PM » |
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Villain has AJ
If the guy limps the button with aj after 1 limper, then he gets all my money! until i spike a queen on the river obv. This XYZ poker confuzzles me. |
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2011, 01:07:09 PM » |
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Thanks for feedback guys..
Hero called and Villain turned over AA and after no help on turn or river it was gg...
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2011, 01:09:51 PM » |
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Villain has AJ
most people leave dtd scratching their balls going "i had top pair top kicker what am i meant to do. cooler". ask any of the people my 2nd lesson i teach. lesson one is you cant bluff an idiot. this just popped up.. Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post. some dont even have top kicker sorry lee  |
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2011, 01:10:16 PM » |
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Thanks for feedback guys..
Hero called and Villain turned over AA and after no help on turn or river it was gg...
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2011, 01:12:14 PM » |
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sorry got leefish and dean mixed up again ... should say sorry dean
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