Dtd Deepstack

[GreekStein]

just dont like leading here readless without a read.

yeh i don't like leading here without a read so readless I don't like readlessly leading.

im not sure how to read this post as I dont like readlessly reading posts.

It's a limped pot, so with no-one having the lead in the hand, we are effectively leadless as well as readless. Really bad imo to needlessly lead readless in this leadless pot.

If we pot the flop and lose we'd effectively be potting ourselves potless without a pot to piss in.

[NigDawG]

i don't understand whats wrong with leading the flop in a limped pot   

i do understand why leading 35k is bad tho

[smashedagain]

Whats your image?

It's the 3 kids in the kitchen.  You need 300 posts before before you can grim us with a staking request, but in the meantime have you heard about that guy and marrakech

[WotRTheChances]

Decisions decisions. Don't mind leading here. Seems like leading < 1/2 pot is decent, dependant on stack %'s, ICM considerations, blah blah blah. Bet/calling for stacks is bad, with stack sizes as they are you have bad equity vs villains value-shove range and this is never really going to be a air-ball bluff-shove spot for anyone playing the 300. Best case you are against AcXc, worst case AJ, KJ, sets and AA-QQ.

So for me it's:

A) bet small enough to allow for folds to re-raises/ships
or
B) check-call to re-evaluate turn.

[ or C) get it in, find out you're miles behind and do some wiiii binking and get there ]

If stacks have limped into the pot small enough that leading here gives you no fold-equity to a shove, option B. If people are deep enough I would be going with A as I would want to be keeping a slightly balanced range between leading draws and made hands here (although balancing ranges is barely worthwhile in the deepstack). If you spot Alex or Mitch in a hole in a 1/2 game, option C is clearly +EV, regardless of getting there or not.

[cambridgealex]

Decisions decisions. Don't mind leading here. Seems like leading < 1/2 pot is decent, dependant on stack %'s, ICM considerations, blah blah blah. Bet/calling for stacks is bad, with stack sizes as they are you have bad equity vs villains value-shove range and this is never really going to be a air-ball bluff-shove spot for anyone playing the 300. Best case you are against AcXc, worst case AJ, KJ, sets and AA-QQ.

So for me it's:

A) bet small enough to allow for folds to re-raises/ships
or
B) check-call to re-evaluate turn.

[ or C) get it in, find out you're miles behind and do some wiiii binking and get there ]

If stacks have limped into the pot small enough that leading here gives you no fold-equity to a shove, option B. If people are deep enough I would be going with A as I would want to be keeping a slightly balanced range between leading draws and made hands here (although balancing ranges is barely worthwhile in the deepstack). If you spot Alex or Mitch in a hole in a 1/2 game, option C is clearly +EV, regardless of getting there or not.