SCOOP: Raise flop?

[cambridgealex]

Line check pls. Weird river spot, jam not flat right?

PokerStars Game #61879249469: Tournament #2011050031, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (100/200) - 2011/05/09 18:10:01 WET [2011/05/09 13:10:01 ET]
Table '2011050031 1876' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Edushpk (6125 in chips)
Seat 2: martinezhaze (17350 in chips)
Seat 3: mobbarly (14843 in chips)
Seat 4: olliepoker (26782 in chips)
Seat 5: DazX (28600 in chips)
Seat 6: 20alex430 (18467 in chips)
Edushpk: posts the ante 25
martinezhaze: posts the ante 25
mobbarly: posts the ante 25
olliepoker: posts the ante 25
DazX: posts the ante 25
20alex430: posts the ante 25
mobbarly: posts small blind 100
olliepoker: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 20alex430 [ ]
DazX: calls 200
20alex430: raises 511 to 711
Edushpk: folds
martinezhaze: folds
mobbarly: folds
olliepoker: folds
DazX: calls 511
*** FLOP *** [ ]
DazX: bets 1000
20alex430: calls 1000
*** TURN *** [ ] []
DazX: bets 3000
20alex430: raises 3800 to 6800
DazX: calls 3800
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
DazX: bets 6200
20alex430: raises 3731 to 9931 and is all-in
DazX: calls 3731

[cambridgealex]

argh should i fold the river?

[Bully87]

Pot committed either way right? Your either gettin max value or going out...I don't think you'd want to be stuck in with 3k left?
I'd be all over it
Cant put Villain on much after he's limped. Unless it's some kinda sick trap with QQ or a nice turn for them with TT?

[redarmi]

I think you played it fine.  Hard to know what he could limp-call pre with and then bet flop and call a reraise on the turn with that he then wants to jam the river with.  QQ seems really unlikely unless he is really bad as he would basically have misplayed every street.  77/TT could play this way i suppose but seems a bit weak to play pre with a hand as good as TT.  QTo is a possibility as are some combos like QhKh/5h6h.  If I had to weight his range i would say that QT/77 are the biggest part.   I guess he has the flush occasionally but it is very hard for you to put him on it similarly J9 seems so unlikely that I think you have to think you are good and if he has it then.....meh.  Incidentally I wrote this knowing the result........MEH!!!!!

[piestack]

they almost always have it when they bet like that.
usually qhxh and sometimes 56

[AlexMartin]

hes kinda handcuffed you on turn and i think jam is better. You give too many hands a good price with a clickback and he isnt deep enough to have much percieved FE. Add to that not many hearts in the first place, so not really many strong draws and i think i like flat turn>jam>raise small.

[cambridgealex]

Ok cool. Just felt he had qx a bunch here and might fold to a jam. But at the 5dollar level I guess they're not folding top pair.

How about raising the flop?

[George2Loose]

Ok cool. Just felt he had qx a bunch here and might fold to a jam. But at the 5dollar level I guess they're not folding top pair.

How about raising the flop?

Think if u have a ridic image then just raise flop. I assume you'd been reasonably active?

[Mondeoman]

Flat the river - any 2 pair hand thats calling the river raise is prob getting it on the turn so think when he calls raise youre beat more than half the time.  Apart from that played fine - i might raise a little more on the turn just because of the drawy board but i wouldnt shove - you want to keep him in the hand esp as a lot of his range is drawing dead/slim.

[muckthenuts]

Once he leads turn he's never folding. I'm all in.

[muckthenuts]

Also not folding the river!