Max Value?

[Bully87]

Live hand from tonight at DTD on .50/1

Me - 150bbs
Villain - 100bbs at least - he's a regular on the cash table, 3bets alot from late position and steals lots of pots with his constant betting so he's pretty proficient.

I raise 6 pre with   in
Villain flats from the SB

Pot: 13.50
Board comes: 

Instantly I'm looking to value town, he sees me as tight and never raising lightly.
I cbet 6 after he checks and he flats, I'm thinking he's just floating or has two overs/possible over pair.

Pot: 25.50
Turn: 

Pretty good card for me if he has Jx overcard combos or even at best JQ. I bet 11 after he checks to me again and he flats.

Pot: 47.50
River: 
Brick card and he checks to me again, I again fire, this time 25 and he flats. He shows   .

I dont know if it's really good play by him to lose the minimum or I've missed value. I really cant believe I didn't stack him/or get a re-raise on any street.

Any other lines I could take to get more out of him?

[SuuPRlim]

Flop betsize I like, on a board of this texture ranges are pretty split between strong value and bluff catchers, legitimate value hands are pretty small in combo's so betting smaller to try widen his range to continue is the best play...

once he's peeled I think I'd be betting much bigger on the turn. his range is so wieghted towards "bluff catchers" as in hands he is going to c/call with at least once, so we should bet bigger as he is likely to call another bullet at least. Also I think most people will think the bigger you bet the the less marginal value hands you have = a bit more polarized.

Bet 20 on the turn and 55 on the river.

as it plays pretty mental how you dont manage to stack him, he must have read your soul innit

[Bully87]

Flop betsize I like, on a board of this texture ranges are pretty split between strong value and bluff catchers, legitimate value hands are pretty small in combo's so betting smaller to try widen his range to continue is the best play...

once he's peeled I think I'd be betting much bigger on the turn. his range is so wieghted towards "bluff catchers" as in hands he is going to c/call with at least once, so we should bet bigger as he is likely to call another bullet at least. Also I think most people will think the bigger you bet the the less marginal value hands you have = a bit more polarized.

Bet 20 on the turn and 55 on the river.

as it plays pretty mental how you dont manage to stack him, he must have read your soul innit

I understand from his pov why he's flatting flop, but then the board turns a bit straighty and he locks up by check calling down. Just the way he played it was so out of character for him as he repops me regularly. =S

I want him to stay in on the turn though and possibly make his straight or hit some picture cards to improve his hand.

I agree river should be bigger, I don't think he's folding for 50 and it can look more bluffy too.

Either way, good hand for me

[redarmi]

TBH the turn and river couldn't have been worse cards for you as each completes a realistic draw so his hand gets weaker on every card albeit he still has a very strong hand.  Agree with dave that once he is check calling he pretty much must have a hand of some sort.  By the turn he isn't calling with AK or a pair of sixes so bet more.  He pretty much only calls the flop and river with a nine or strong draw so on the river I would probably shove....it looks like a bluff and not many can fold trips with top kicker and even if he puts you on a nine only really 89 and 9T beat him given he thinks you are tight and probably puts you on an overpair or AT given your raise pre.  In general never expect a villain to do your betting for you unless they are mega aggressive.  If you have a hand that you think you are going to want to put your money in with then use the flop and river to set up the river for a shove.

[Bully87]

Well I didnt expect Villain to do my betting cos I bet into him every street just given the way he plays usually I was expecting a repop, I think had I made it more on the flop it could have induced a raise there and then with him OOP for later streets? I obviously wasnt to know he had a 9 but I just didnt want him to fold whatever he had.
River didnt complete any draws? 67 already got there without the 5

Perhaps this would have been better to stack him...

6 pre = 13.50
8 flop = 29.50
20 turn = 69.50 which would have set up a river shove and snap to him yes as he would be pot committed with 60ish back?
AI 60ish river = 129.50

In the end I got 3 streets but obviously not max but middle ish value though.

[SuuPRlim]

small flop bet is better - you wanna be betting smaller there when you've bricked, will be folding quite a bit I think. Plus widen his range slightly with a smaller bet + give him a better price if he wants to bluff.

Once he peels he basically has a hand with some sort of showdown value (normally a 1p) so he is very unlikely to fokld the turn, hence why I'd bet bigger.

[AlexMartin]

sizing is too small from start to finish, just bet bigger with bigger hands against a live fish incapable of folding anything resembling the nuts. when its clear he can have a 9 or a straight start putting a lot of money. Probs just jam the turn tbh.

[Bully87]

sizing is too small from start to finish, just bet bigger with bigger hands against a live fish incapable of folding anything resembling the nuts. when its clear he can have a 9 or a straight start putting a lot of money. Probs just jam the turn tbh.

Not a fish, competent reg who thinks I'm a fish. I agree in some sense that jamming the turn could look like I'm completely over playing A10 + over pairs and could get a snap off.

[AlexMartin]

sizing is too small from start to finish, just bet bigger with bigger hands against a live fish incapable of folding anything resembling the nuts. when its clear he can have a 9 or a straight start putting a lot of money. Probs just jam the turn tbh.

Not a fish, competent reg who thinks I'm a fish. I agree in some sense that jamming the turn could look like I'm completely over playing A10 + over pairs and could get a snap off.

gin, stuff dreams are made of. yer id be super happy betting 10 on the flop and jamming the turn. run the math on it.

[Bully87]

Yeah definitely, assuming he thinks I'm a fish, which I think he does. All makes sense in hindsight...which is why its wonderful.

[cambridgealex]

Yeah definitely, assuming he thinks I'm a fish, which I think he does.

Yeh I reckon he does

[Bully87]

Yeah definitely, assuming he thinks I'm a fish, which I think he does.

Yeh I reckon he does

Aahaha, not on about you this time Alex, not played you at all this week! Managed to avoid you Weds!!

[cambridgealex]

Yeah definitely, assuming he thinks I'm a fish, which I think he does.

Yeh I reckon he does

Aahaha, not on about you this time Alex, not played you at all this week! Managed to avoid you Weds!!

yeh i just meant generally if i were you, i'd assume the same

yeh im not in this week, in slovenia for an EEPT you see. beeepbebeeep

[Bully87]

Yeah definitely, assuming he thinks I'm a fish, which I think he does.

Yeh I reckon he does

Aahaha, not on about you this time Alex, not played you at all this week! Managed to avoid you Weds!!

yeh i just meant generally if i were you, i'd assume the same

yeh im not in this week, in slovenia for an EEPT you see. beeepbebeeep

Hahaha!

Yeah I read somewhere, glgl

[WotRTheChances]

Not bigger on every street. Massively agree with basically everything SuuPRlim has said.

Flop bet size is good, 6 into 13 here is fine on this board texture, you are getting 2 overs to stay in here a decent amount and possible over/gutshot or pure floats here. Also allows you to balance your range leading into these boards, as a c-bet 1/2 pot would be about right.

On the turn should definately be significantly larger bet-sizing, looking at the range of your opponent here he has JT-AT a decent amount, J9-A9, 98, 97 JQ, JK, KQ, PP's 22-88 and floats. From this you have to say he is calling (at least) a bet of £20 with almost all of this range, excluding PPs 22-66 and floats, which are hands you are rarely getting any more from anyway. This is a point where you need to be considering pot and stack sizes going into the river, and is something i generally consider more when I am playing online (as it's easier to look at), but it is certainly a spot to be setting up for a river shove, even if you need to bet close to pot to do so.

On the river as played I would be betting about 35, but as I said, if the turn is bet larger you are setting up for a shove.

I bet 7 into 13.50 -> 23 into 27.50 -> 63 (AI) into 73.5