call or fold?

[geordieneil]

quite an active table, most very agro.....the rest stations


[2011/05/12 2:46:08 ET]
Table '392379672 60' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JeffN999 (95220 in chips)
Seat 2: riverplaten (74085 in chips)
Seat 3: aaramouni (201112 in chips)
Seat 4: gigimaroni (61182 in chips)
Seat 5: toonloon (137635 in chips)
Seat 6: Pablo Lezama (58907 in chips)
JeffN999: posts the ante 250
riverplaten: posts the ante 250
aaramouni: posts the ante 250
gigimaroni: posts the ante 250
toonloon: posts the ante 250
Pablo Lezama: posts the ante 250
riverplaten: posts small blind 1250
aaramouni: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to toonloon [ ]
gigimaroni: folds
toonloon: raises 5000 to 7500
Pablo Lezama: folds
JeffN999: calls 7500
riverplaten: folds
aaramouni: raises 12500 to 20000
toonloon: calls 12500
JeffN999: calls 12500
*** FLOP *** [As ]
aaramouni: bets 20000
toonloon: calls 20000
JeffN999: folds
*** TURN *** [As ] []
aaramouni: checks
toonloon: checks
*** RIVER *** [As ] []
aaramouni: bets 160862 and is all-in
toonloon: ??

[NigDawG]

i can't think of a single hand you can beat on the river that he would play this way

[Bully87]

All your beating is a J or Flush, without HEM stats I doubt he'd stack off with a straight, very much doubt a flush too.

Sigh fold even though you improved on the river.

[the sicilian]

Pretty much all his non bluff 3 bet range beats you

[outragous76]

Pretty much all his non bluff 3 bet range beats you

[SuuPRlim]

yeah you're completely fked here.

[geordieneil]

   yup agree with all, could only think of 2 or 3  hands i could beat, AQ OR AJ or JJ....the flush extremly doubtful.

i had to fold.......villain claimed he had AQ


   [ ] poker villains tell the truth
   [ ] i run well

   only for 3 hands later my KK to run into AA

   [ X ] pokerstars hates me  

[SuuPRlim]

if he is turning AQ into a bluff its a great move imo - if he is doing it for value then he is terrrrible

[NigDawG]

he bets all Jx hands on the turn. possibly turning Ax into a bluff to fold out the same hand but thats something a bit advanced beyond the vast majority of people. 1.01 he has a higher boat or quads imo

[AlexMartin]

is pre standard here for anyone?

[the sicilian]

is pre standard here for anyone?

not necessarily .... but think the question is what to do on the river as played..... there is some scope for difference pre but i prefer as played..no absolute right or wrong there.... still pretty deep to go piling it in pre for me

[AlexMartin]

is pre standard here for anyone?

not necessarily .... but think the question is what to do on the river as played..... there is some scope for difference pre but i prefer as played..no absolute right or wrong there.... still pretty deep to go piling it in pre for me

think i prefer fold to call and jam to both (although mebbe fold>jam is table is weak enough). We endup just guessing postflop against one wide range and one strong percieved range with a hand that just creates high variance spots. 

[the sicilian]

is pre standard here for anyone?

not necessarily .... but think the question is what to do on the river as played..... there is some scope for difference pre but i prefer as played..no absolute right or wrong there.... still pretty deep to go piling it in pre for me

think i prefer fold to call and jam to both (although mebbe fold>jam is table is weak enough). We endup just guessing postflop against one wide range and one strong percieved range with a hand that just creates high variance spots. 

As said no right way... but guessing/reading as opposed to ship and hope.... depends if ur over or under 30 years of age i suppose