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George2Loose
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An eye for an eye?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13401360
Just seen this on the news. I know human rights wise this is sickening but I wonder how you'd feel as the victim being left disfigured because you've turned down a man's advances
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Re: An eye for an eye?
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Sick....horrific...
Can't say I agree with retributive punishment.....it isn't Christian..
So sad.....
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Re: An eye for an eye?
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Quote from: bhoywonder on May 15, 2011, 01:18:45 AM
Sick....horrific...
Can't say I agree with retributive punishment.....it isn't Christian..
So sad.....
Hmmmmm pretty sure the phrase "an eye for an eye" is from the bible so to suggest it isn't Christian is a bit laughable really. As for the case I can see the girls point tbh but I think you have to try and take the moral high ground.
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Christian doctrine is built on the concept of eternal punishment if you don't believe in the Christian god. Seems disproportionate and very unforgiving - almost 'unchristian'.
Do as I say, don't do as I do.
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Re: An eye for an eye?
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Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 03:32:02 AM
Christian doctrine is built on the concept of eternal punishment if you don't believe in the Christian god. Seems disproportionate and very unforgiving - almost 'unchristian'.
Do as I say, don't do as I do.
Its all true though mate, god exists
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Have I read it right? He blinded a woman who turned him down, so as his punishment for blinding the innocent victim he will now be blinded himself?
No pun intended but can't see a problem with this. Big believer in letting the punishment fit the crime, and that's nothing to do with religious beliefs, it's just fair IMO. Although have to say, chopping hands off for stealing seems a little extreme, but in this particular case making the man live the rest of his life in the same state his victim is doing seems pretty fitting.
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Re: An eye for an eye?
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Quote from: Woodsey on May 15, 2011, 07:31:30 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 03:32:02 AM
Christian doctrine is built on the concept of eternal punishment if you don't believe in the Christian god. Seems disproportionate and very unforgiving - almost 'unchristian'.
Do as I say, don't do as I do.
Its all true though mate, god exists
Which one?
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As for the punishment in this case, it seems to make a change from other sharia rulings. Women are often punished even when they're victims of crime. Stoned to death for adultery when they are victims of rape, etc.
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Re: An eye for an eye?
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Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 10:31:41 AM
Quote from: Woodsey on May 15, 2011, 07:31:30 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 03:32:02 AM
Christian doctrine is built on the concept of eternal punishment if you don't believe in the Christian god. Seems disproportionate and very unforgiving - almost 'unchristian'.
Do as I say, don't do as I do.
Its all true though mate, god exists
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Mine
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Re: An eye for an eye?
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Quote from: Woodsey on May 15, 2011, 10:48:52 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 10:31:41 AM
Quote from: Woodsey on May 15, 2011, 07:31:30 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 03:32:02 AM
Christian doctrine is built on the concept of eternal punishment if you don't believe in the Christian god. Seems disproportionate and very unforgiving - almost 'unchristian'.
Do as I say, don't do as I do.
Its all true though mate, god exists
Which one?
Mine
Vino - the god of good wine?
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Re: An eye for an eye?
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Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: Woodsey on May 15, 2011, 10:48:52 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 10:31:41 AM
Quote from: Woodsey on May 15, 2011, 07:31:30 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 03:32:02 AM
Christian doctrine is built on the concept of eternal punishment if you don't believe in the Christian god. Seems disproportionate and very unforgiving - almost 'unchristian'.
Do as I say, don't do as I do.
Its all true though mate, god exists
Which one?
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Vino - the god of good wine?
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Re: An eye for an eye?
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Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 03:32:02 AM
Christian doctrine is built on the concept of eternal punishment if you don't believe in the Christian god. Seems disproportionate and very unforgiving - almost 'unchristian'.
Do as I say, don't do as I do.
I hesitate to even enter a reply to this, but you've taken it out of context
The phrase “everlasting punishment” is contained within most of the leading selling English Bible translations. The very foundation of most of modern Christianity is built upon salvation FROM eternal punishment in a place called Hell through faith in Jesus Christ.
Yet the truth of the matter is that the concept of salvation being deliverance from “eternal punishment” is utterly false.
The concept of “everlasting punishment” does NOT exist in either the Hebrew nor the Greek languages of the Christian Scriptures. Yes, it does exist in “some” leading selling English Bible translations, but not in the original languages of the Bible. Many outstanding Christian scholars are beginning to agree with what the early believers in Christ knew that salvation through Jesus Christ was deliverance from DEATH, not from everlasting life being tormented forever. The wages of sin have ALWAYS been death, NEVER everlasting punishment.
and this is what comes from helping my son with his GCSE revision
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Re: An eye for an eye?
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Quote from: TightEnd on May 15, 2011, 11:01:24 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 03:32:02 AM
Christian doctrine is built on the concept of eternal punishment if you don't believe in the Christian god. Seems disproportionate and very unforgiving - almost 'unchristian'.
Do as I say, don't do as I do.
I hesitate to even enter a reply to this, but you've taken it out of context
The phrase “everlasting punishment” is contained within most of the leading selling English Bible translations. The very foundation of most of modern Christianity is built upon salvation FROM eternal punishment in a place called Hell through faith in Jesus Christ.
Yet the truth of the matter is that the concept of salvation being deliverance from “eternal punishment” is utterly false.
The concept of “everlasting punishment” does NOT exist in either the Hebrew nor the Greek languages of the Christian Scriptures. Yes, it does exist in “some” leading selling English Bible translations, but not in the original languages of the Bible. Many outstanding Christian scholars are beginning to agree with what the early believers in Christ knew that salvation through Jesus Christ was deliverance from DEATH, not from everlasting life being tormented forever. The wages of sin have ALWAYS been death, NEVER everlasting punishment.
and this is what comes from helping my son with his GCSE revision
Clear your diary son.........
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Re: An eye for an eye?
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Quote from: TightEnd on May 15, 2011, 11:01:24 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on May 15, 2011, 03:32:02 AM
Christian doctrine is built on the concept of eternal punishment if you don't believe in the Christian god. Seems disproportionate and very unforgiving - almost 'unchristian'.
Do as I say, don't do as I do.
I hesitate to even enter a reply to this, but you've taken it out of context
The phrase “everlasting punishment” is contained within most of the leading selling English Bible translations. The very foundation of most of modern Christianity is built upon salvation FROM eternal punishment in a place called Hell through faith in Jesus Christ.
Yet the truth of the matter is that the concept of salvation being deliverance from “eternal punishment” is utterly false.
The concept of “everlasting punishment” does NOT exist in either the Hebrew nor the Greek languages of the Christian Scriptures. Yes, it does exist in “some” leading selling English Bible translations, but not in the original languages of the Bible. Many outstanding Christian scholars are beginning to agree with what the early believers in Christ knew that salvation through Jesus Christ was deliverance from DEATH, not from everlasting life being tormented forever. The wages of sin have ALWAYS been death, NEVER everlasting punishment.
and this is what comes from helping my son with his GCSE revision
I'll call bullshit on that one.
The idea that the Christian god isn't a spiteful, vengeful god who demands obedience is revisionist nonsense. You're saying hell doesn't exist in the previous versions of the bible? Also, according to Christian doctrine the bible is the word of god, so it either is or isn't or has he changed his mind.
He's hardly a forgiving type throughout the old and new testament, original sin being a fine example. He's meant to be all powerful and yet condemns future generations because of the acts of our supposed ancestors.
So just to clarify things, as it seems bible scholars like to change what's allegedly in the bible according to prevailing moods - you're saying eternal bliss and rapture is for all regardless of how they live their lives, so you don't have to live a christian way to gain entry into heaven? Seems a bit of a waste of time then, doesn't it?
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Re: An eye for an eye?
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God is all powerful, and yet can't simply save everyone from hell?
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