An eye for an eye?

[Woodsey]

Christian doctrine is built on the concept of eternal punishment if you don't believe in the Christian god.  Seems disproportionate and very unforgiving - almost 'unchristian'.

Do as I say, don't do as I do.

Its all true though mate, god exists

 

Which one?

Mine

 

Vino - the god of good wine?

Not had any booze for nearly 2 weeks 

Is that for health reasons? If so good work

Training for across Britain bike ride     

 

Excellent, you doing it for any charity?

Yeah there is about 20 of us doing it. All the proceeds go into one pot and get split 3 ways between Cancer research UK, Parkinson's UK and The British Heart Foundation.

Don't be shy then, post up a link!

Will nearer the time mate 

[TightEnd]

if a woman is permanently scared and blinded by acid by a man just for turning down his marriage proposal..............

ok fine him £50 and comuity service for 20 hours that seems fair

No one has said that, and you shouldn't be so lazy with an argument

Just because someone is barbaric, you (in the guise of a penal system and legal response) don't break the laws of the domain in response....

By extension, a similar debate could be had about the death penalty. I could argue for the death penalty far easier than I could blinding a crimial with acid just because he did so

[leethefish]

i can not put things into words as good as your goodself  tighty and thus find it hard not lazy

[kinboshi]

Spose what I'm asking is if this happened in this country would it be an acceptable way to sentence someone?

Errrr.no... because we live in a civilised society and we deal with issues ( no matter how bad or distasteful ) like human beings not animals. As I said we are dealing with a different mentality on both sides of the coin.......   i don't hear calls, for example, child rapists to get jolly rogered etc....

U get sickos everywhere. My initial gut is to agree with u but then having seen the pics of the woman and the fact she sees justice as him getting the same treatment got me thinking. Spose it links in with the argument surrounding the death penalty

Where is the line drawn, and how is the fallibility of any court system taken into account?  There are miscarriages of justice an when someone is sentenced to a long prison sentence they can't get those years back if they are subsequently pardoned, but at least they aren't maimed/disfigured/dead.

In this case I'm actually shocked that the retributive sentence was given in the first place.  The legal/human rights of women in Iran aren't quite on a par with the rights men enjoy.

[leethefish]

however i feel if he can throw acid in her face then she should be allowed to do the same
if somone attacked you
you wife
your child
how would you react....... i know what i would/have done
an eye for an eye

[leethefish]

Spose what I'm asking is if this happened in this country would it be an acceptable way to sentence someone?

Errrr.no... because we live in a civilised society and we deal with issues ( no matter how bad or distasteful ) like human beings not animals. As I said we are dealing with a different mentality on both sides of the coin.......   i don't hear calls, for example, child rapists to get jolly rogered etc....

U get sickos everywhere. My initial gut is to agree with u but then having seen the pics of the woman and the fact she sees justice as him getting the same treatment got me thinking. Spose it links in with the argument surrounding the death penalty

Where is the line drawn, and how is the fallibility of any court system taken into account?  There are miscarriages of justice an when someone is sentenced to a long prison sentence they can't get those years back if they are subsequently pardoned, but at least they aren't maimed/disfigured/dead.

In this case I'm actually shocked that the retributive sentence was given in the first place.  The legal/human rights of women in Iran aren't quite on a par with the rights men enjoy.

in this case he has admitted his guilt

[kinboshi]

Spose what I'm asking is if this happened in this country would it be an acceptable way to sentence someone?

Errrr.no... because we live in a civilised society and we deal with issues ( no matter how bad or distasteful ) like human beings not animals. As I said we are dealing with a different mentality on both sides of the coin.......   i don't hear calls, for example, child rapists to get jolly rogered etc....

U get sickos everywhere. My initial gut is to agree with u but then having seen the pics of the woman and the fact she sees justice as him getting the same treatment got me thinking. Spose it links in with the argument surrounding the death penalty

Where is the line drawn, and how is the fallibility of any court system taken into account?  There are miscarriages of justice an when someone is sentenced to a long prison sentence they can't get those years back if they are subsequently pardoned, but at least they aren't maimed/disfigured/dead.

In this case I'm actually shocked that the retributive sentence was given in the first place.  The legal/human rights of women in Iran aren't quite on a par with the rights men enjoy.

in this case he has admitted his guilt

No one has ever made a confession and subsequently been found to be innocent?

(I'm not saying this man is innocent, I'm talking in general)

[leethefish]

i know what your saying  boshi but think if there is enough proof and a confession then he would have to pay the consequences for his actions.

its not like i am saying that if you had an accident in your car and found to be at fault you should be ran over

just this is an extreme case that should be punished in that same way especially in a country that supports that withen its law

[MANTIS01]

There's plenty in the bible that doesn't make sense. Jesus said that the meek will inherit the earth. But out of all the people in the world are the meek really the wisest choice? They probably wouldn't want all the fuss and responsibility. Giving it to the Koreans would make more business sense imo.

[AndrewT]

There's plenty in the bible that doesn't make sense. Jesus said that the meek will inherit the earth. But out of all the people in the world are the meek really the wisest choice? They probably wouldn't want all the fuss and responsibility. Giving it to the Koreans would make more business sense imo.

So racist against the Meeks.

[kinboshi]

There's plenty in the bible that doesn't make sense. Jesus said that the meek will inherit the earth. But out of all the people in the world are the meek really the wisest choice? They probably wouldn't want all the fuss and responsibility. Giving it to the Koreans would make more business sense imo.

They have such a good broadband infrastructure too. 

[redarmi]

i know what your saying  boshi but think if there is enough proof and a confession then he would have to pay the consequences for his actions.

its not like i am saying that if you had an accident in your car and found to be at fault you should be ran over

just this is an extreme case that should be punished in that same way especially in a country that supports that withen its law

If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level.  Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen. 

[leethefish]

i know what your saying  boshi but think if there is enough proof and a confession then he would have to pay the consequences for his actions.

its not like i am saying that if you had an accident in your car and found to be at fault you should be ran over

just this is an extreme case that should be punished in that same way especially in a country that supports that withen its law

If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level.  Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen. 

i was going to leave this ....maybe i should but ill have another go at my explanations !!

i hope not to offend anyone

[leethefish]

If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level.  Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen


if criminals knew that they would be punished properly would they commit the crime in the first place!
if i was going to get acid in my face i would not throw acid in someone Else's .....if i was going to get a fine and a slap on the wrist i might!( i would never do such a thing because i am a normalish person).

if a rapist or child molester was not allowed onto the nonce's wing in prison and had to serve his time with the general population with everyone knowing his crime would he still commit such a vile act on another human being i don't think so.

my point being the punishment should fit the crime and i think this punishment would be deserved.

[DungBeetle]

"If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level.  Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen.  "

I hate this  argument (although it is admittedly common).  This way of thinking is the reason why people have no respect for authority anymore.