An eye for an eye?

[leethefish]

"If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level.  Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen.  "

I hate this  argument (although it is admittedly common).  This way of thinking is the reason why people have no respect for authority anymore.  

totally agree

[millidonk]

"If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level.  Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen.  "

I hate this  argument (although it is admittedly common).  This way of thinking is the reason why people have no respect for authority anymore.  

totally agree

+1

[the sicilian]

If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level.  Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen


if criminals knew that they would be punished properly would they commit the crime in the first place!
if i was going to get acid in my face i would not throw acid in someone Else's .....if i was going to get a fine and a slap on the wrist i might!( i would never do such a thing because i am a normalish person).

if a rapist or child molester was not allowed onto the nonce's wing in prison and had to serve his time with the general population with everyone knowing his crime would he still commit such a vile act on another human being i don't think so.

my point being the punishment should fit the crime and i think this punishment would be deserved.

Didn't the guy who threw the acid know what punishment he would receive ?  do people who know theres a death sentence for murder not murder?  knowing the punishment doesn't prevent

[leethefish]

i am not sure if he knew
but don't you think its a bigger deterrent than what happens in this country today??

[millidonk]

If we allow a criminal and savage act to be punished by a criminal and savage act then the criminals are winning and reducing society to their level.  Policymakers have a moral responsibility to society to ensure that this doesn't happen


if criminals knew that they would be punished properly would they commit the crime in the first place!
if i was going to get acid in my face i would not throw acid in someone Else's .....if i was going to get a fine and a slap on the wrist i might!( i would never do such a thing because i am a normalish person).

if a rapist or child molester was not allowed onto the nonce's wing in prison and had to serve his time with the general population with everyone knowing his crime would he still commit such a vile act on another human being i don't think so.

my point being the punishment should fit the crime and i think this punishment would be deserved.

Didn't the guy who threw the acid know what punishment he would receive ?  do people who know theres a death sentence for murder not murder?  knowing the punishment doesn't prevent

Obviously it is not that black and white. IMO no punishment would stop any crimes completely. But i do think an eye for an eye certainly reduces the amount of things such as murders, or would at least in this country where the general intelligence is allegedly somewhat higher of other countries. Obviously for this to remotely work people would at least have to think about the consequences of their actions, something which some people will just never do!

[George2Loose]

Punishments are rarely a deterrent because criminals don't think they're gonna get caught obv

[kinboshi]

If the punishment is a deterrent, why do countries that have the death penalty still have high murder rates (that are punishable by death)?

If stealing is punishable by hands being chopped off in a particular country, why are there people walking round with their hands missing if it's such a strong deterrent?

[leethefish]

Punishments are rarely a deterrent because criminals don't think they're gonna get caught obv

i disagree George
 e.g there have been a few instances and people who have got away with a light talking to and not a slap from me in the last few years because i don't want to spend time away from my family at her Majesty's pleasure!!
if i thought i would not get caught they would have had a fuc~ing good hiding!!

[kinboshi]

Punishments are rarely a deterrent because criminals don't think they're gonna get caught obv

i disagree George
 e.g there have been a few instances and people who have got away with a light talking to and not a slap from me in the last few years because i don't want to spend time away from my family at her Majesty's pleasure!!
if i thought i would not get caught they would have had a fuc~ing good hiding!!

So was prison a lesser deterrent than say having your hands chopped off?  The fear of imprisonment seemed to do the trick.

[millidonk]

If the punishment is a deterrent, why do countries that have the death penalty still have high murder rates (that are punishable by death)?

If stealing is punishable by hands being chopped off in a particular country, why are there people walking round with their hands missing if it's such a strong deterrent?

Far too many attributing factors, in countries where punishments such as hand chopping exist it will largely be down to the fact of lack of education/being so poor that they have to steal to survive. I honestly think there are not too many thieves who just do it for the rush knowing you might be handless if caught.

Prison in this country is not a deterrent. Fact! it's not like the films.

[leethefish]

Punishments are rarely a deterrent because criminals don't think they're gonna get caught obv

i disagree George
 e.g there have been a few instances and people who have got away with a light talking to and not a slap from me in the last few years because i don't want to spend time away from my family at her Majesty's pleasure!!
if i thought i would not get caught they would have had a fuc~ing good hiding!!

So was prison a lesser deterrent than say having your hands chopped off?  The fear of imprisonment seemed to do the trick.

back to the same thing the punishment fitting the crime
if they where going to chop my hands off that is obviously a bigger deterrent but would not suitable punishment for giving someone a slap !!

but if i thought i would get a fine then i would have broke the silly jobsworth tw@ts nose

[kinboshi]

Punishments are rarely a deterrent because criminals don't think they're gonna get caught obv

i disagree George
 e.g there have been a few instances and people who have got away with a light talking to and not a slap from me in the last few years because i don't want to spend time away from my family at her Majesty's pleasure!!
if i thought i would not get caught they would have had a fuc~ing good hiding!!

If the punishment is a deterrent, why do countries that have the death penalty still have high murder rates (that are punishable by death)?

If stealing is punishable by hands being chopped off in a particular country, why are there people walking round with their hands missing if it's such a strong deterrent?

Far too many attributing factors, in countries where punishments such as hand chopping exist it will largely be down to the fact of lack of education/being so poor that they have to steal to survive. I honestly think there are not too many thieves who just do it for the rush knowing you might be handless if caught.

Prison in this country is not a deterrent. Fact! it's not like the films.

Erm...

[AndrewT]

Doesn't matter what the punishment is - scumbags gonna scumbag.

It only acts as a deterrent to those least likely to commit the crime in the first place.

[millidonk]

Punishments are rarely a deterrent because criminals don't think they're gonna get caught obv

i disagree George
 e.g there have been a few instances and people who have got away with a light talking to and not a slap from me in the last few years because i don't want to spend time away from my family at her Majesty's pleasure!!
if i thought i would not get caught they would have had a fuc~ing good hiding!!

If the punishment is a deterrent, why do countries that have the death penalty still have high murder rates (that are punishable by death)?

If stealing is punishable by hands being chopped off in a particular country, why are there people walking round with their hands missing if it's such a strong deterrent?

Far too many attributing factors, in countries where punishments such as hand chopping exist it will largely be down to the fact of lack of education/being so poor that they have to steal to survive. I honestly think there are not too many thieves who just do it for the rush knowing you might be handless if caught.

Prison in this country is not a deterrent. Fact! it's not like the films.

Erm...

Ok, last part badly worded. Prison for upstanding members of society like us here is of course a deterrent. But for those who wish to commit crime, I can honestly say they don't give it a moments thought. I have 2 friends who have both been inside at least twice, they know full well what will happen if they get caught doing what they are doing, but they don't see it remotely as a deterrent. In all honesty from what they say they actually had fun inside. Obv i tell them they were bummed in the showers etc.

[George2Loose]

Doesn't matter what the punishment is - scumbags gonna scumbag.

It only acts as a deterrent to those least likely to commit the crime in the first place.

This.