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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2006, 11:53:45 PM »

I said nothing about your ability to stack build....i am saying i am confident in mine, so i would pass, i probably move all in from the button and the cutoff the next 2 hands.

You say this guy was an all in merchant. He had come to the table with a shorter stack and was now in much better shape, he KNEW his folding equity was lower from the hands he had shown which does infact make his raising hand more likely to be a good'un.

You ask about DC's 99, yes i think that is a bad call. I am not sure of the circumstance of it, but i am suprised that he called if he had 30x bb, and if it was a random player i would go so far as to call him a fish! Hopefully DC is reading this thread and can let us know why!

You started the thread by asking would anyone fold, we answered ya!
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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2006, 11:59:26 PM »

Thx James

As for DC i think he knew the guy, and deduced he was at it. But DC will be better equipped to answer this

I started the thread to "learn" from other peoples opinions. Like i said, i can make an argument both ways.

To say someone is "wrong" though , in my opinion is wrong in itself.

We have different opinions, which always has been clear. Lets leave it now Cheesy
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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2006, 12:10:15 AM »

I may have forgotten, lol, but where did i say you were wrong?

Still if the guy has moved in for 30 blinds i dont call with 99 Cheesy AK maybe but not 99
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2006, 04:00:59 AM »

I may have forgotten, lol, but where did i say you were wrong?

Still if the guy has moved in for 30 blinds i dont call with 99 Cheesy AK maybe but not 99

key word " I dont" , its a debate, I just know if I was the raiser anyone would call, see my point Cool Cool Cool

thats what I count on in my game, give me chips
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2006, 04:28:42 AM »

I tell you now Brian, if we are ever on the same table and i have 30 bb's on the blind with 99 i will not call your all in. Free blinds for all.
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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2006, 04:30:55 AM »

I tell you now Brian, if we are ever on the same table and i have 30 bb's on the blind with 99 i will not call your all in. Free blinds for all.

i understand, but never say never Cool, dont under estimate the power of the ROOKIE
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2006, 12:28:12 PM »

I have to say that I don't like the call with TT. Sure there are not many hands that you are behind, but how many are you really in front of? A small pair is unlikely so a mid pair of probably 99, 88 or possibly Ax aith his position and style is about the best you can hope for. Even if he is at it with hands like KJ or QJ you are not a massive favourite for all your stack that you have no doubt worked tirelessly to accumulate. Why risk it all now on a marginal?

I am sure that your read on him was good, but I would rather get the chips in first on my terms not his (not that I am advocating an all in push on TT either, but I prefer it to a call).

With regards to him coming to the table on 35k and pushing all in on 55, remember that is only 3 of teh new blinds that you mention are coming and I can understand his push (dependent on position) with lesser holdings. Therefore the fact that he now holds a similar stack to you, the 55 push should perhaps not influence this decision too much.
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2006, 12:58:32 PM »

Crazy to fold here in my opinion. Whatever edge u think u have, it's not big enough to justify a fold here.

No 1, you have less than 10BBs. In this situation u should not be passing up ANY +EV situations. The only reason u occasionally pass up +EV in tournaments is because u can find a bigger edge later. You won't here. Ok so u might get KK AA next hand. Highly unlikely.

The guy that raised allin is under pressure, the same as you. His range of hands is going to be fairly wide, rarely he will be dominating you with JJ or QQ(I think he plays KK or AA to extract a little more value usually). He is also likley to push many pocket pairs so there are a fair few hands u dominate such as 55-99. The hand he pushed you are a giant favourite over too.

This is a great spot. Folding here is an error. You dont have the chip leverage or stack depth to get fancy and make some postflop plays. Take this good situation and get some chips. Good call Paul.

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« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2006, 03:01:32 PM »

this is a certain call imo, this would look to me like he had a middle pair or possibly a good ace, imo, it is very unlikely that you are behind here!!!, i think that if you didnt post the result, there would be less people saying its a fold,   what are these people waiting for soooooted aces!!   get it called man.  EVERYTIME
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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2006, 03:33:33 AM »

James one thing... this was a 3750 runner comp!

Your going to have to play a showdown, and with money in the pot and m3's description of the player i think he could move in with a huge variety of hands!!! Far more than the ones you quote!

A call as you need to make the move to the next level of chips to give yourself a chance at winning the comp... not just laddering and surviving!
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« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2006, 03:32:08 AM »

I call here nearly 100% of the time at this stage of the tournament. The blind structure is fast in this game and you need to adjust.
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