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[Bully87]

This is the most common spot I keep getting hit with, raising with AJ or similarly A10 and I get one caller then a 3bet....Most of the time I sigh fold but is this too nitty??? Thoughts on how to take the hand on from here. 4bet? Fold? Flat IP?

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, May 19, 01:57:55 ET 2011
Table Zachia VI (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $109.55 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 3.0, Hands: 57
Seat 2: Player2 ( $129.65 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 13, AF: 1.3, Hands: 57
Seat 3: Player3 ( $119.75 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 1.0, Hands: 50
Seat 4: Hero ( $86.85 USD ) - VPIP: 32, PFR: 18, 3B: 9, AF: 1.9, Hands: 14584
Seat 5: Player5 ( $125.40 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 8, AF: Infinity, Hands: 78
Seat 6: Player6 ( $84.25 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 11, 3B: 6, AF: 5.0, Hands: 54
Player2 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [  ]
Hero raises [$3.00 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player1 calls [$3.00 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$12.00 USD]
Hero?

[Ironside]

fold i think

[cambridgealex]

play a full stack, you can peel a 3b IP with AJ.

[skolsuper]

32/18 is not good preflop stats for 6max, far too passive. Also 9% 3bet probs means ur 3betting too much out of the blinds, judging from your other stats.

btw, what did you use to convert that hand history?

Oh and fold, bb 3b vs UTG, it can't happen that often

[TheFallen]

32/18 is not good preflop stats for 6max, far too passive. Also 9% 3bet probs means ur 3betting too much out of the blinds, judging from your other stats.

btw, what did you use to convert that hand history?

Oh and fold, bb 3b vs UTG, it can't happen that often

everything he said.

[Bully87]

32/18 is not good preflop stats for 6max, far too passive. Also 9% 3bet probs means ur 3betting too much out of the blinds, judging from your other stats.

btw, what did you use to convert that hand history?

Oh and fold, bb 3b vs UTG, it can't happen that often

HEManager

I thought that, for me to raise UTG then Btn flat and for him to still repop must be strong.

I had 86bigs Alex but point taken but not exactly shortstacked.

[cambridgealex]

didnt see ud raised utg. yeh fold aj here

[SuuPRlim]

32/18 is not good preflop stats for 6max, far too passive. Also 9% 3bet probs means ur 3betting too much out of the blinds, judging from your other stats.

how many times have we been through this!!!!!!!!!!

RAISE MORE, PEEL LESS pls

I don't necessarily think AJo is the worst hand to 4b fold vs 8% 3bet, but I think this specifically is a purely horrible spot to do anything but fold.

[Bully87]

32/18 is not good preflop stats for 6max, far too passive. Also 9% 3bet probs means ur 3betting too much out of the blinds, judging from your other stats.

how many times have we been through this!!!!!!!!!!

RAISE MORE, PEEL LESS pls

I don't necessarily think AJo is the worst hand to 4b fold vs 8% 3bet, but I think this specifically is a purely horrible spot to do anything but fold.

LOL Dave, I'm working on it but it's hard to get percentages down on the call side.

So you think I should be 4b/f rather than 3b/peeling IP? Surely thats going to cost me more when he 5b/shoves or peels my 4b and I miss?

[Ironside]

your not IP in this hand as the button is still involved and if you flat he is likely to flat too

[Bully87]

your not IP in this hand as the button is still involved and if you flat he is likely to flat too

Well yes in this instance I do have someone behind me, but I meant in a general sense.

It's a crap spot to be in, even more so with one behind.

[SuuPRlim]

32/18 is not good preflop stats for 6max, far too passive. Also 9% 3bet probs means ur 3betting too much out of the blinds, judging from your other stats.

how many times have we been through this!!!!!!!!!!

RAISE MORE, PEEL LESS pls

I don't necessarily think AJo is the worst hand to 4b fold vs 8% 3bet, but I think this specifically is a purely horrible spot to do anything but fold.

LOL Dave, I'm working on it but it's hard to get percentages down on the call side.

So you think I should be 4b/f rather than 3b/peeling IP? Surely thats going to cost me more when he 5b/shoves or peels my 4b and I miss?

haha yh i  know, i can see its dropping slowly

no I dont think overall 4b/fold is better, but what i mean is vs some players you're gonna want to 4bet "light" vs them if they are 3betting a bit, and I think AJo is as good a hand as any to turn into air pf....I ceertainly wouldnt do it here tho this particular spot looks bad to me.

in regards to peeling the 3bet, it really depends on what kind of hands he is 3betting, some players have quite a gap between their "air" and their "value" ranges for 3betting, as in they are 3betting the very top hands, that they want to 3b/5b and bad hands they are happy to 3b/fold. and peeling hands in the middle of these (JT/KJ/77 etc)

vs these kind of guys I think hands like AJ/KQ/AT are more appealing to call 3bets with becase they play and flop well vs the overall range which is combinatorially air dominated and they will ikely bet on boards which hit your hand.

Player,Equity,Wins Hi,Ties Hi
AJ,61.4195%,60.4248%,1.9894%
"5%, 55%-75%",38.5805%,37.5858%,1.9894%


whereas vs people with a more balanced range of 3betting hands, I think AJo is a fine hand to 4bet fold (blockers and all )

but most of the time, just fold imo  !

[SuuPRlim]

in before James Keys identifies 4 spelling mistakes and tells me to get a job at waitrose :p

[skolsuper]

32/18 is not good preflop stats for 6max, far too passive. Also 9% 3bet probs means ur 3betting too much out of the blinds, judging from your other stats.

how many times have we been through this!!!!!!!!!!

RAISE MORE, PEEL LESS pls

I don't necessarily think AJo is the worst hand to 4b fold vs 8% 3bet, but I think this specifically is a purely horrible spot to do anything but fold.

LOL Dave, I'm working on it but it's hard to get percentages down on the call side.

So you think I should be 4b/f rather than 3b/peeling IP? Surely thats going to cost me more when he 5b/shoves or peels my 4b and I miss?

You're all over the place there bully, 4b/f 3b/peel 5b/shove, ummm wat? And yes it does cost you more when all the bad things happen, in the same sense that getting all in with aces costs you more when you get outdrawn; you have to look at the whole pie vis a vis your long term equity in the hand.

What I think you're asking is: "should I fold, flat, 4b/call or 4b/fold when facing a 3b with AJ/AT?", to which the answer is, unfortunately, 'it depends'. Which option is best depends on your opponent, your relative positions, your opponent's perception of you, your opponent's perception of any other people still to act in the hand, how they think you perceive them and so on. The same goes for a lot of hands besides AJ and AT, but they're often on the crossroads between many options so can seem tough to play. No easy answers I'm afraid :-(

This particular case is a clear fold tho

Edit:: dave posted twice in the time it took me to write this. Was gonna post more about what situations are good for peeling etc but he did it for me

[skolsuper]

Actually disagree with some of what dave's put (for seemingly obvious reasons, maybe it's a tarp?) but can't be arsed to do a long post right now, maybe tomorrow. Spelling's not bad tho