Plan with AKo pre

[muckthenuts]

Broadway £1/2. This is a friends hand which he wanted me to post.

First villian is a competent and aggressive Chinese regular who wins, she opens a fairly wide range pre and is capable of hand reading post and making moves accordingly. Second villian is basically similar and a good winning player.

Rest of the table are losing randoms. We have a tight image.

Villian 1 ~£250
Villian 2 ~£300
Hero ~£300

Hero holds AKo.
Villian 1 opens to £8 from EP. Villian 2 flats on the button. Hero makes it £30 from SB. Both call.

Flop:

What is your plan?

[SuuPRlim]

Im prolly just gonna chk this one, this flop hits their ranges pretty well and I dont think this is a situation where you can fire one and give up, I think if we're betting we need to be prepred for 2 bullets minimum and we're not quite deep enough to empty the clip imo.

I dont think AK is a mandatory 3bet pre-flop vs two good players either, obviously its absolutley fine and with weaker players in I think its optimal but vs the 2 described villains I might be more inclined to just make the 8 up.

[cambridgealex]

I'd raise bigger, but especially from the sb. I'd make it £40.

As for our plan as played, Cbet £55. We're obviously hoping to take the pot down. You have a tight image - this'll be useful here, their ranges in this spot are pretty wide, so obviously include some Qxs, Q9 and sets which are obviously not folding. However by betting they're probably folding all pairs <Q, all suited connectors that have whiffed and maybe some gutshots, overs etc. This second group is much larger than the first so it's definitely a profitable cbet and by not betting you're basically setting fire to the £90 in there already as you're never going to win the hand unless it checks through and you bink an A or K.

If called, I'd give up unless you bink the turn. Probably not firing again on any turns as all turns except A or K are bad for us.

[Rod]

The original opener could have any sort of hand when she makes the first raise. Based on your description of the caller he could have a mid pair, or two broadway cards, even SC or Axs when he calls that. When you repop I would be looking at hand ranges something like this I think:-

Villain 1 - Any pair up to QQ (as AA or KK should re-raise pre) Could have two Broadway cards including AK, could have SC. She should have some sort of hand that can make something on the flop unless she is just thinking of trying to outplay you in position, but as you have control of the hand this would be less likely. I think her range is fairly wide. I would have thought we should remove hands like unsuited AQ, AJ or AT as she should know AK is right in your range here. Hands like JTs or QTs play better against your range here.

Villain 2 - Probably a mid pair up to tens maybe, I think he would probably have 3-bet with QQ or JJ here against the first villain. AK is unlikely for the same reason. Could be AQ although that would make the call of your re raise quite loose and again we should be able to take these sort of hands out of his range so he should not have a big ace. Again based on your read on the player he should know that these hands do not play well against your range here.

For both of them we could assign a small pair as being less likely as they don't really have the odds to hit a set and there are small implications for reverse implied odds (maybe).

The flop is pretty terrible for your hand I think. The good thing is there are no draws so the hands we were thinking might be in their ranges preflop have not really hit anything. Hands that will like this flop are in their ranges. JTs will quite like this flop and want to play. QT/QJ will come along for another card as well. Either of them could have made a set but given the texture of the flop and our hand we will find out about that soon enough. So what hands are in their range that I am worried about.

JT, QJ, QT. two pair looks very unlikely can't see either of them in with Q9 that often. It should be quite hard for them to have a set as well. 99 should be on only one Villain 2 can have Villain 1 could have 99 or QQ.

Given the fact I am out of position, there are hands in their range that that flop has hit and if I c-bet and get raised I am going to hate it I am probably check/folding. There is an argument that some of the hands in their range even though they might call the flop you could push them off on later street by repping a bigger hand. I honestly don't like that though.

So my personal plan is check/fold. I would probably c-bet £60 into one player though.

A better player than me (there are plenty on this forum so I will be reading their answers) MIGHT say you can bet and represent a better hand than you actually have or hit your card on the turn?

You could bet £60 on the flop. If you get called and the turn is a blank their range is still not that strong so you can fire a 2nd c-bet as there are not too many hands in their range they can continue with.

I also find in live poker what should be happening and what is actually happening are two different things, they usually just have the exact hand they are reppping although given the way you describe the players in this hand that might not be true here.

[Rupert]

more pre, c/f flop.  Q high boards hit 3 bet calling ranges pretty hard

vs an EP open flatting or 3 betting pre are both fine