Ajo in bb v random

[Ironside]

been at table 8 hands neither of us have played a hand in that time
3600 started 1100 left average stack about 9k

how was my line?

PokerStars Game #63026589366: Tournament #424010421, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2011/06/06 19:44:05 WET [2011/06/06 14:44:05 ET]
Table '424010421 135' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: poliandrs (21302 in chips)
Seat 2: V.Belkin (9444 in chips)
Seat 3: lonfi (6382 in chips)
Seat 4: salwille (4437 in chips)
Seat 5: Louis_Vee (10018 in chips)
Seat 6: Ironside (17358 in chips)
Seat 7: jocko617 (32881 in chips)
Seat 8: gendyn (14181 in chips)
Seat 9: tommygotNUTZ (13244 in chips)
poliandrs: posts the ante 25
V.Belkin: posts the ante 25
lonfi: posts the ante 25
salwille: posts the ante 25
Louis_Vee: posts the ante 25
Ironside: posts the ante 25
jocko617: posts the ante 25
gendyn: posts the ante 25
tommygotNUTZ: posts the ante 25
Louis_Vee: posts small blind 125
Ironside: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ Ah]
jocko617: folds
gendyn: folds
tommygotNUTZ: folds
poliandrs: folds
V.Belkin: raises 250 to 500
lonfi: folds
salwille: folds
Louis_Vee: folds
Ironside: raises 750 to 1250
V.Belkin: calls 750
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ironside: bets 1500
V.Belkin: raises 1500 to 3000
Ironside: calls 1500
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ironside: bets 5250

[WPIL]

His Min Raises would be cause for concern unless that was his MO but 8 hands in (not a lot to go on) and he has not played a hand, I would have come over the top of his min raise on the flop (I am bad though!)

[Solaris]

Why are we 3 betting AJo from the BB?

On the flop you're beat, on the turn you're spewing.

[Ironside]

3b AJ pre from bb as i am ahead of most peoples range if i get 4b i can get awa losing the minium to better hands without folding to worse

do you honestly think that calling the 3b pre then betting then min raising the flop is strong?

[pleno1]

I call flop and c/jam turn

[Ironside]

I call flop and c/jam turn

if i check turn i wont be able to jam it will be a call or check check giving him a free card

[Solaris]

3b AJ pre from bb as i am ahead of most peoples range if i get 4b i can get awa losing the minium to better hands without folding to worse

do you honestly think that calling the 3b pre then betting then min raising the flop is strong?

You're turning a decent hand into a bluff effectively then? Do you 3 bet fold 88? What range are we 3bet folding in this spot?

Your actions conflict with your thoughts. If you don't think him min-raising the flop is strong and you decide you're ahead and flat call the flop, why would you lead out on the turn? Surely you check to let him bluff shove. He's got about 5k back and the pot's 7.5k ish.

What do you hope will happen on the turn when you lead into him? Are you somehow trying to get him to call off with AK high? I don't get it.

[pleno1]

I call flop and c/jam turn

if i check turn i wont be able to jam it will be a call or check check giving him a free card

na if he bets 5k then u obv shove he has 9k effective at start hand

[Solaris]

I call flop and c/jam turn

if i check turn i wont be able to jam it will be a call or check check giving him a free card

na if he bets 5k then u obv shove he has 9k effective at start hand

Is this a level? He has 9444 to start the hand and with the 25 ante, 1250 pf and 3000 otf, means he has 5169 left with the pot at 7.5k.

How do you suppose we c/jam?

[Ironside]

I call flop and c/jam turn

if i check turn i wont be able to jam it will be a call or check check giving him a free card

na if he bets 5k then u obv shove he has 9k effective at start hand

he has 5k left at turn so if i check he jams and i call
my turn bet would put him all in

3b AJ pre from bb as i am ahead of most peoples range if i get 4b i can get awa losing the minium to better hands without folding to worse

do you honestly think that calling the 3b pre then betting then min raising the flop is strong?

You're turning a decent hand into a bluff effectively then? Do you 3 bet fold 88? What range are we 3bet folding in this spot?

Your actions conflict with your thoughts. If you don't think him min-raising the flop is strong and you decide you're ahead and flat call the flop, why would you lead out on the turn? Surely you check to let him bluff shove. He's got about 5k back and the pot's 7.5k ish.

What do you hope will happen on the turn when you lead into him? Are you somehow trying to get him to call off with AK high? I don't get it.

my turn bet was to get him to call with KJ or pocket pair type hands he might check behind with on turn

[Solaris]

my turn bet was to get him to call with KJ or pocket pair type hands he might check behind with on turn

You're hoping he has 77-1010 then on the flop or KJ obv?

Let's break this down. You've 3 bet pf and he's flatted from the HJ seat. He's minraised you otf putting in around 45% of his stack and you've flatted. You then lead out on the turn hoping to get a call from 77-1010 or KJ. Put yourself in his shoes, you've been 3 bet pf, you've minraised the cbet and got a flat call, what hands are you stacking off with on the turn?

Also, do you think KJ is a genuine holding for him in this spot?

Can you answer this bit:

You're turning a decent hand into a bluff effectively then? Do you 3 bet fold 88? What range are we 3bet folding in this spot?

[muckthenuts]

Calling is better than 3b imo but if you're gonna do it make it 1500-1750 pls.

Betting flop and shoving over the raise

[Ironside]

3b folding all my 3b bluffs 3b calling 77+ ATs+ possible KQs

but i am a luck box that need to get these type hands to win pots when i get

them as i am card dead for most of the time and never seem to find hands or poistions everyone else keep

talking about to keep my stack in place

[WPIL]

He calls with better and folds worse - simple

[Solaris]

3b folding all my 3b bluffs 3b calling 77+ ATs+ possible KQs

but i am a luck box that need to get these type hands to win pots when i get

them as i am card dead for most of the time and never seem to find hands or poistions everyone else keep

talking about to keep my stack in place

If you look at the bit in bold you can see why I said your thoughts and your actions conflict with each other.

You said:

3b AJ pre from bb as i am ahead of most peoples range if i get 4b i can get awa losing the minium to better hands without folding to worse

But above you say you're calling off with ATs? Which one is it.

FWIW calling a 4bet or a 4 bet shove with AT or AJ is super spewy in micro donkaments.