i am struggling with V bets

[Ironside]

i am struggling when i should be value betting and when i should be checking to allow the oppo to bet

every time i try to value bet they are folding

everytime i check they are checking behind with hands they would of called a value bet

anyone help?

[mondatoo]

Do the opposite to what you are doing.

[Ironside]

Do the opposite to what you are doing.

i am trying man its doing my head in

i am 2/189 in a 5$ comp on stars and i would be sitting with trble my stack if v bets were called and they stoped checking behind with hands i am hoping they bet with

i am getting them to put 60% of there chips into a pot before river but just cant get the rest of there staacks

[Solaris]

I'm bored whilst playing so I thought I'd rail you and see how you're doing. Here's one example of a hand I feel you misplayed.

PokerStars Game #63032674617: Tournament #424010421, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2011/06/06 21:44:02 WET [2011/06/06 16:44:02 ET]
Table '424010421 119' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Cr@cker717 (84857 in chips)
Seat 2: pestaras85 (25701 in chips)
Seat 3: Vindel (68378 in chips)
Seat 4: getaraise (42875 in chips)
Seat 5: stilli rom (16623 in chips)
Seat 6: Lehmo81 (64862 in chips)
Seat 7: jam3s1nlove (56311 in chips)
Seat 8: Ironside (60055 in chips)
Seat 9: PokerCity00 (31866 in chips)
Cr@cker717: posts the ante 150
pestaras85: posts the ante 150
Vindel: posts the ante 150
getaraise: posts the ante 150
stilli rom: posts the ante 150
Lehmo81: posts the ante 150
jam3s1nlove: posts the ante 150
Ironside: posts the ante 150
PokerCity00: posts the ante 150
stilli rom: posts small blind 800
Lehmo81: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
jam3s1nlove: folds
Ironside: raises 1600 to 3200
PokerCity00: folds
Cr@cker717: folds
pestaras85: folds
Vindel: raises 3200 to 6400
getaraise: folds
stilli rom: folds
Lehmo81: folds
Ironside: calls 3200
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ironside: checks
Vindel: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ironside: bets 9600
Vindel: calls 9600
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Ironside: checks
Vindel: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ironside: shows [Ah ] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
Vindel: mucks hand
Ironside collected 35750 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 35750 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Cr@cker717 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: pestaras85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Vindel mucked
Seat 4: getaraise (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: stilli rom (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Lehmo81 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: jam3s1nlove folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Ironside showed [Ah ] and won (35750) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 9: PokerCity00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Fold pre for a starters or fold to the 3 bet.

As it is, I like the check on the flop and the lead on the turn, but you should always be betting the river. You've no reason to fear the flush given how passively he's played it and on the river he's checking back nearly always given he's flatted your turn bet. He's often got a hand like QQ that's checking back as he wants to get to showdown as cheaply as possible in the hope you've bluffed the turn.

You can also get him to fold and don't have to go to a showdown...and given you've called a 3bet OOP with a7s that's no bad thing.

I'd suggest you get a decent player you respect to ghost you during a session so he can see where you're missing out on value bets etc.

[Ironside]

solris we have major history and that hand was played due to who he was not my hand pre

yeah seeing his KJ that he mucked i would of gotten paid at river

[Ironside]

this is a previous hand i had plaed agaainst same player and tried the v-bet

PokerStars Game #63032982398: Tournament #424010421, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2011/06/06 21:50:12 WET [2011/06/06 16:50:12 ET]
Table '424010421 119' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Cr@cker717 (45635 in chips)
Seat 2: pestaras85 (29001 in chips)
Seat 3: Vindel (53834 in chips)
Seat 4: getaraise (51448 in chips)
Seat 6: Lehmo81 (59362 in chips)
Seat 7: jam3s1nlove (72294 in chips)
Seat 8: Ironside (117038 in chips)
Seat 9: PokerCity00 (22916 in chips)
Cr@cker717: posts the ante 150
pestaras85: posts the ante 150
Vindel: posts the ante 150
getaraise: posts the ante 150
Lehmo81: posts the ante 150
jam3s1nlove: posts the ante 150
Ironside: posts the ante 150
PokerCity00: posts the ante 150
jam3s1nlove: posts small blind 800
Ironside: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
PokerCity00: folds
Cr@cker717: folds
pestaras85: folds
Vindel: calls 1600
getaraise: folds
iFTWxD is connected
Lehmo81: folds
jam3s1nlove: folds
Ironside: checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ironside: checks
Vindel: bets 4800
Ironside: raises 8000 to 12800
Vindel: calls 8000
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ironside: bets 19200
Vindel: calls 19200
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Ironside: bets 16000
Vindel: folds
Uncalled bet (16000) returned to Ironside
Ironside collected 69200 from pot
Ironside: shows [ ] (a full house, Threes full of Eights)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 69200 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Cr@cker717 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: pestaras85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Vindel folded on the River
Seat 4: getaraise folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Lehmo81 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: jam3s1nlove (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Ironside (big blind) collected (69200)
Seat 9: PokerCity00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[mondatoo]

Just from reading some of your posts on pha it seems like you pretty much are always concerned that someone might have the flush draw or straight draw so you don't want to give a free card, similarly if the draw gets there you are worried about it and therefore taking the easy option of clicking it back instead of making that vb, you can't just always assume that a card that has made the draw has helped him, work more on putting people on ranges and how much of his range you can get value from on each street.

[Ironside]

Just from reading some of your posts on pha it seems like you pretty much are always concerned that someone might have the flush draw or straight draw so you don't want to give a free card, similarly if the draw gets there you are worried about it and therefore taking the easy option of clicking it back instead of making that vb, you can't just always assume that a card that has made the draw has helped him, work more on putting people on ranges and how much of his range you can get value from on each street.

i make most of my chips by representing the draw myself but i am always worried about draws played passively as i dont want to make it +ev for them to play them that way and pay them off

[Solaris]

solris we have major history and that hand was played due to who he was not my hand pre

yeah seeing his KJ that he mucked i would of gotten paid at river

That's largely irrelevant. I'd rather call his 3bet with 54s than A7s. He's over 40bbs deep - would you be comfortably getting 40+bbs in on an ace high flop with a7 in a 3 bet pot? I wouldn't.

Mondatoo has it right as well. I think you're checking back too many rivers in the hope of bluffcatching, being able to c/r or just to check call. Too often in the micros players will check back hands they should be betting for value, so take the initiative yourself.

[Ironside]

so there are no oppos you would like to play in a big pot with suited aces?

this guy has been getting chips from all over the table with NE2 then passing them to me since we sat

[Ironside]

he just handed me his stack now with his 89o

[Solaris]

so there are no oppos you would like to play in a big pot with suited aces?

this guy has been getting chips from all over the table with NE2 then passing them to me since we sat

Not with a 7 kicker OOP in a 3bet. Absolutely not.

Big chip leader now. TID please!

[strak33]

Please dont get bored with 50 left.

Gl

[Ironside]

have you seen the play on the table?

guy limp calling from an 8bb stack in ep having half his stack in pre

he already folded a cpl of times after limp calling this time he hit top pair though

[Ironside]

Please dont get bored with 50 left.

Gl

nah i am still awake at the moment though spending more time reading blonde than watching table