100nl 6max...

[mondatoo]

Thoughts on this hand please.

Button is massive fish playing 42/25, f3b 29%, just stacked him in this hand.

***** Hand History for Game 63096407351 ***** (Poker Stars)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, June 08, 10:34:53 ET 2011
Table Altais II (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: KinzRGut ( $133.10 USD )
Seat 2: vilvon3 ( $34.35 USD )
Seat 3: hamsterli ( $40.00 USD )
Seat 4: epertxuntxur ( $56.05 USD )
Seat 5: fernanpaul ( $156.65 USD )
Seat 6: mondonewc ( $181.35 USD )
fernanpaul posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
mondonewc posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mondonewc [   ]
KinzRGut folds
vilvon3 folds
hamsterli folds
epertxuntxur raises [$4.00 USD]
fernanpaul folds
mondonewc raises [$13.00 USD]
epertxuntxur calls [$10.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, , ]
mondonewc bets [$10.00 USD]
epertxuntxur raises [$42.05 USD]
mondonewc calls [$32.05 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
mondonewc shows [, ]
epertxuntxur shows [, ]
mondonewc wins $109.60 USD from main pot

Sb is reg playing 23/22, has a 3b% of just under 12% so pretty high and 3b% from sb is 14%. Unlikely to be 3b as a bluff in this spot when he knows buttons going to peel a lot.

***** Hand History for Game 63096518335 ***** (Poker Stars)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, June 08, 10:38:15 ET 2011
Table Altais II (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: KinzRGut ( $129.60 USD )
Seat 2: vilvon3 ( $41.00 USD )
Seat 3: hamsterli ( $44.60 USD )
Seat 4: epertxuntxur ( $96.50 USD )
Seat 5: fernanpaul ( $158.35 USD )
Seat 6: mondonewc ( $234.40 USD )
fernanpaul posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
mondonewc posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mondonewc [   ]
KinzRGut folds
vilvon3 folds
hamsterli folds
epertxuntxur raises [$3.00 USD]
fernanpaul raises [$9.50 USD]
mondonewc calls [$9.00 USD]
epertxuntxur calls [$7.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
fernanpaul checks
mondonewc checks
epertxuntxur bets [$9.00 USD]
fernanpaul folds
mondonewc calls [$9.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
mondonewc checks
epertxuntxur bets [$15.00 USD]
mondonewc calls [$15.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
mondonewc checks
epertxuntxur bets [$62.50 USD]
mondonewc ??

[redarmi]

I just fold.  No need to take such marginal spots against a fish where top pair will be the stone cold nuts!!!

[Solaris]

I just fold.  No need to take such marginal spots against a fish where top pair will be the stone cold nuts!!!

This.

He might show up with worse occasionally, but we're having to make a bit of a hero call vs someone with a wide range when we could fold and wait for a better spot.

Also think there's a huge difference between the two hands. Mainly because in the first he's 56bb deep and shoves over your flop bet, whereas in the other he leads all 3 streets and shoves the river. I struggle to think of a hand he does this with other than a busted flush draw that we can beat. But is he the type of fish to 3 barrel bluff in this situation?

[mondatoo]

I just fold.  No need to take such marginal spots against a fish where top pair will be the stone cold nuts!!!

This.

He might show up with worse occasionally, but we're having to make a bit of a hero call vs someone with a wide range when we could fold and wait for a better spot.

Also think there's a huge difference between the two hands. Mainly because in the first he's 56bb deep and shoves over your flop bet, whereas in the other he leads all 3 streets and shoves the river. I struggle to think of a hand he does this with other than a busted flush draw that we can beat. But is he the type of fish to 3 barrel bluff in this situation?

Have only been at the table a short amount of time, obv the 2 hands are different, first hand is just to show how wide he's calling a 3b and the fact he jammed with a pair, most fish would call/call.

[BulldozerD]

Not sure I like calling pre here

[mondatoo]

Not sure I like calling pre here

I think it's fine when we are 150bbs deep vs the reg and are expecting the button to call a high % of the time.

[pleno1]

pres def fine

[muckthenuts]

easy river fold

[AlexMartin]

pre is fine, fold the turn most likely/a lot, all rivers suck and its gonna be a horrible high-variance spot.

as played, meh, too timing/read dependant to give a view.

[SuuPRlim]

I would be much happier folding the turn than the river

[mondatoo]

I would be much happier folding the turn than the river

This was my thought process as well.

[skolsuper]

I would be much happier folding the turn than the river

This was my thought process as well.

disagree. As alex says timing+flow most important here, but doubt I ever fold the turn.

[mondatoo]

I would be much happier folding the turn than the river

This was my thought process as well.

disagree. As alex says timing+flow most important here, but doubt I ever fold the turn.

If we are calling turn why fold this river ? Gameflow is we've played the one previous hand vs villain where I bet/snapped flop to stack him. He thought for about 3 secs before shipping the river.

[Skippy]

A donk writes:

Bet flop?

Check calling 3 times seem like a difficult way to play this hand. It seems unlikely that the pre flop 3-better has much once he checks on the flop. You're probably winning, and taking the pot down now doesn't seem like the worst result.

[SuuPRlim]

I realise the previous hand is relevant, but the textures of the board are different and its 3way not HU, which even to what appears to be a weaker player i think would tighten his flop leading range up, like if the flop was Q83 id have a much harder time folding the turn.

once we're at the river the range of hands he actually legitimately wants to VB is pretty small so I would call here.