100nl 6max...

[mondatoo]

I realise the previous hand is relevant, but the textures of the board are different and its 3way not HU, which even to what appears to be a weaker player i think would tighten his flop leading range up, like if the flop was Q83 id have a much harder time folding the turn.

once we're at the river the range of hands he actually legitimately wants to VB is pretty small so I would call here.

This is how I saw it on the river also so I called.

[doubleup]

once we're at the river the range of hands he actually legitimately wants to VB is pretty small so I would call here.

not sure that a "massive fish" is concerned in the least with the legitimacy of their value bets.

[Rupert]

Pre is good, rest i'd use aggression frequency stats for.  Main problem is that most fish are pretty passive in general so with no further read i'd fold the river even if he isn't repping a lot

[Solaris]

Pre is good, rest i'd use aggression frequency stats for.  Main problem is that most fish are pretty passive in general so with no further read i'd fold the river even if he isn't repping a lot

Exactly my thoughts.

This hand is very read dependent. If he's an aggro spew monkey it's a sigh call, whereas if he's your standard fish it's a fold.

[mondatoo]

Pre is good, rest i'd use aggression frequency stats for.  Main problem is that most fish are pretty passive in general so with no further read i'd fold the river even if he isn't repping a lot

Exactly my thoughts.

This hand is very read dependent. If he's an aggro spew monkey it's a sigh call, whereas if he's your standard fish it's a fold.

As I mentioned earlier itt most fish call/call/call so the fact in the earlier hand he jams the flop with J8 on the AJx flop made me lean more towards him being aggro/spewy where I'd expect the std fish to have just called flop and turn.

[Solaris]

Pre is good, rest i'd use aggression frequency stats for.  Main problem is that most fish are pretty passive in general so with no further read i'd fold the river even if he isn't repping a lot

Exactly my thoughts.

This hand is very read dependent. If he's an aggro spew monkey it's a sigh call, whereas if he's your standard fish it's a fold.

As I mentioned earlier itt most fish call/call/call so the fact in the earlier hand he jams the flop with J8 on the AJx flop made me lean more towards him being aggro/spewy where I'd expect the std fish to have just called flop and turn.

I understand and I don't disagree with your thought process. I guess this is just one of those pots where on the river if he has it fair enough, if not happy days. Either way we'll learn enough about him that a call is +ev for future hands imo - although at the same time I don't hate a fold.

Any chance you can give us the results?

[mondatoo]

Pre is good, rest i'd use aggression frequency stats for.  Main problem is that most fish are pretty passive in general so with no further read i'd fold the river even if he isn't repping a lot

Exactly my thoughts.

This hand is very read dependent. If he's an aggro spew monkey it's a sigh call, whereas if he's your standard fish it's a fold.

As I mentioned earlier itt most fish call/call/call so the fact in the earlier hand he jams the flop with J8 on the AJx flop made me lean more towards him being aggro/spewy where I'd expect the std fish to have just called flop and turn.

I understand and I don't disagree with your thought process. I guess this is just one of those pots where on the river if he has it fair enough, if not happy days. Either way we'll learn enough about him that a call is +ev for future hands imo - although at the same time I don't hate a fold.

Any chance you can give us the results?

I hero'd he had 85dd. I thought about the fact we could find better spots vs the fish to get it in but in most cases there's 4 other ppl at the table looking to do the exact same thing so I thought this was a good spot vs this villain. I was interested in opinions on my line though and the river spot as obv I'm more interested in the best play long term than the fact I got this one right.

[Rupert]

"Better spots" isn't a legitimate excuse for making the right play unless this is the last cash game on earth or something.  There are plenty of better spots in the future vs other fish/this fish which is why we keep playing