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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2011, 03:05:39 PM » |
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Lol some of the people that play these comps are so bad they would happily shove j8 here. U kinda need a read on what he looks like too imo. how he handles chips, protects his cards etc are all kinda useful
They never fold J8 but in these kinda comps they don't shove J8 Wrong. Some do. Agreed. Would expect to see KQ shoved a lot. You'll be amazed at how many players disregard a flush on a 4 straight board and think they're going for value from a lesser straight etc. This is a live 20 quid donkament, people do silly things. |
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2011, 03:09:27 PM » |
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Lol some of the people that play these comps are so bad they would happily shove j8 here. U kinda need a read on what he looks like too imo. how he handles chips, protects his cards etc are all kinda useful
They never fold J8 but in these kinda comps they don't shove J8 Wrong. Some do. If we're discussing your average player most don't. |
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2011, 03:17:49 PM » |
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Lol some of the people that play these comps are so bad they would happily shove j8 here. U kinda need a read on what he looks like too imo. how he handles chips, protects his cards etc are all kinda useful
They never fold J8 but in these kinda comps they don't shove J8 Wrong. Some do. If we're discussing your average player most don't. you were implying all dont. |
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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2011, 03:23:11 PM » |
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Lol some of the people that play these comps are so bad they would happily shove j8 here. U kinda need a read on what he looks like too imo. how he handles chips, protects his cards etc are all kinda useful
They never fold J8 but in these kinda comps they don't shove J8 Wrong. Some do. If we're discussing your average player most don't. you were implying all dont. I'm saying vast majority don't. I mean I'm sure in every example on PHA where there's a particular type of player who would play a hand in such an outlandish way that you can justify any course of action Your typical 20 pound player is always scared someone is "flushing" on this type of flop so now way do they just jam here without one. |
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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2011, 03:28:09 PM » |
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Lol some of the people that play these comps are so bad they would happily shove j8 here. U kinda need a read on what he looks like too imo. how he handles chips, protects his cards etc are all kinda useful
They never fold J8 but in these kinda comps they don't shove J8 Wrong. Some do. If we're discussing your average player most don't. you were implying all dont. I'm saying vast majority don't. I mean I'm sure in every example on PHA where there's a particular type of player who would play a hand in such an outlandish way that you can justify any course of action Your typical 20 pound player is always scared someone is "flushing" on this type of flop so now way do they just jam here without one. +1 |
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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2011, 03:29:36 PM » |
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Lol some of the people that play these comps are so bad they would happily shove j8 here. U kinda need a read on what he looks like too imo. how he handles chips, protects his cards etc are all kinda useful
They never fold J8 but in these kinda comps they don't shove J8 Wrong. Some do. If we're discussing your average player most don't. you were implying all dont. I'm saying vast majority don't. I mean I'm sure in every example on PHA where there's a particular type of player who would play a hand in such an outlandish way that you can justify any course of action Your typical 20 pound player is always scared someone is "flushing" on this type of flop so now way do they just jam here without one. If he's a reg then he's not, hence why I asked how he handled chips etc. If he's not a reg, he absolutely shoves it. |
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2011, 03:31:22 PM » |
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Lol some of the people that play these comps are so bad they would happily shove j8 here. U kinda need a read on what he looks like too imo. how he handles chips, protects his cards etc are all kinda useful
They never fold J8 but in these kinda comps they don't shove J8 Wrong. Some do. If we're discussing your average player most don't. you were implying all dont. I'm saying vast majority don't. I mean I'm sure in every example on PHA where there's a particular type of player who would play a hand in such an outlandish way that you can justify any course of action Your typical 20 pound player is always scared someone is "flushing" on this type of flop so now way do they just jam here without one. If he's a reg then he's not, hence why I asked how he handled chips etc. If he's not a reg, he absolutely shoves it. Cos are you really saying that even someone who doesn't play often over values 2 pair on this kind of board? |
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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2011, 03:41:10 PM » |
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For those of you who think he is only ever shoving a flush, is he shoving all flushes or are you putting him solely on the K or A high flush?
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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2011, 03:46:50 PM » |
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For those of you who think he is only ever shoving a flush, is he shoving all flushes or are you putting him solely on the K or A high flush?
Nope he's also shoving worse flushes which is why a call or a fold is fine. This is where the things Costas was talking about come into play a little more. |
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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2011, 04:03:58 PM » |
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Lol some of the people that play these comps are so bad they would happily shove j8 here. U kinda need a read on what he looks like too imo. how he handles chips, protects his cards etc are all kinda useful
They never fold J8 but in these kinda comps they don't shove J8 Wrong. Some do. If we're discussing your average player most don't. you were implying all dont. I'm saying vast majority don't. I mean I'm sure in every example on PHA where there's a particular type of player who would play a hand in such an outlandish way that you can justify any course of action Your typical 20 pound player is always scared someone is "flushing" on this type of flop so now way do they just jam here without one. If he's a reg then he's not, hence why I asked how he handled chips etc. If he's not a reg, he absolutely shoves it. Cos are you really saying that even someone who doesn't play often over values 2 pair on this kind of board? YES!!!! I go to a game once every month or two that raises money for a football team and the players that play there ALL do this kind of stuff. |
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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2011, 04:25:47 PM » |
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loving the term clusterfuck. will use it in future blog posts me thinks, ty
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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2011, 09:46:42 PM » |
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given the action and the fact we have no notes on the villain and i've just turned up at the table means i can't find a fold here.
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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2011, 11:01:18 PM » |
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I agree with Cos here 100% here JK. This situation is very player dependant. Just as you know certain Dtd players play one way then certain other players play the complete opposite. If the guy is a reg in Sheffield then the more experienced players who know one another know exactly whAt to do in this position. You can narrow it down as far as never ever bluffs for some guys and for others will shove if bluffing or bets a portion of his stack if he has it. The STD is really that bad.
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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2011, 04:55:41 AM » |
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I thought it was a fistpump snap spot, just a cooler really, but talked it over with Alex and convinced myself he had alot smaller value range. I should be a pro at hand range assignment in casinos seen as deal in one every day, think I just levelled myself afterwards.
FWIW, he had 6s7s for the bottom end of the SF. Sigh. Would prolly still play the hand exactly the same again.
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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2011, 05:10:19 AM » |
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20£ comP with 3 rd nuts is good enough to be calling here actually makes it more of a fold i'd lead the flop, rest is fine if u folded (i'd bet bigger on the river) |
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