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« on: June 13, 2011, 01:26:44 PM »



Wsop Sat - 13k package

$500 buy in

50 runners, 50 remain, 2 Packages

blinds 10-20

Hero stack 5000

Opponent stack 5000

Average is 5000

3rd hand in no information



Oppo UTG riase to 60

Cut off & button flat

Hero in sb with  calls

bb folds

flop



Hero bets 195


UTG flats both others fold

Turn 

Hero bets 325
UTG calls

river 

Hero checks (thinking of calling any reasonable bet)

UTG all in 4420


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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2011, 01:28:11 PM »

Not necessarily.

You still need to do a fold though.
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2011, 01:33:06 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2011, 01:38:42 PM »

wow you've played a few of these aint ya? do a fold coz if he is that bad you will catch him later all being well
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2011, 01:39:06 PM »

Hate the donk bet on the flop. What were your intentions on the flop if he was to raise? 3b the flop and get it in? 3b fold?

I fold the river and feel quite happy about it. With no reads if your opponent is playing fairly LAG J10 has got there too. We obviously only beat a bluff and it'd be hard for him to be bluffing in this spot as he reps a super thin range.
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2011, 03:06:21 PM »

Hate the donk bet on the flop.

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2011, 03:08:57 PM »

Hate the donk bet on the flop.

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Yeah it's awful.

Probably saved you going bust though.
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2011, 04:08:52 PM »

Folding is fine, you need to be right a way high percentage of the time and i don't see it.

Betting the flop is good imo. What makes you think it's so terrible?
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2011, 04:16:51 PM »

3-bet pre? Surely this isn't a spot to be flatting, seeing a 4+ way flop and be looking to get a massive % of stacks in on an A-high flop. 3-bet pre, lead flop, turn and bet/call river and then sigh when he's made with TJ.
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2011, 04:21:43 PM »

I would be inclined to 3bet pre-flop rather than just flat call, in order to narrow the field and the initial raiser's range...as played I would fold the river.
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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2011, 04:24:01 PM »

Folding is fine, you need to be right a way high percentage of the time and i don't see it.

Betting the flop is good imo. What makes you think it's so terrible?

If UTG raise, we?

If UTG raises and we flat and he barrels turn and river are we just c/c?

If UTG raises do we 3b the flop? If he 4bs do we fold?

Donking the flop OOP inflates the pot and makes it so much harder to play our hand.
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2011, 04:26:05 PM »

3-bet pre? Surely this isn't a spot to be flatting, seeing a 4+ way flop and be looking to get a massive % of stacks in on an A-high flop. 3-bet pre, lead flop, turn and bet/call river and then sigh when he's made with TJ.

Who said anything about looking to get massive % of stacks in?

Flat pre.

Pot control on flop / turn as we're oop and don't want a huge pot.

Possibly value bet river as our hand is well disguised and we can look like we were chasing something and are having a stab at it.

Obviously re-assess each street depending on action.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2011, 04:34:38 PM »

3-bet pre? Surely this isn't a spot to be flatting, seeing a 4+ way flop and be looking to get a massive % of stacks in on an A-high flop. 3-bet pre, lead flop, turn and bet/call river and then sigh when he's made with TJ.

Who said anything about looking to get massive % of stacks in?

Flat pre.

Pot control on flop / turn as we're oop and don't want a huge pot.

Possibly value bet river as our hand is well disguised and we can look like we were chasing something and are having a stab at it.

Obviously re-assess each street depending on action.

The cutoff and the button could be playing very wide range here, so I don't understand why would you let the button see the flop cheaply and also possibly give great pot odds to the BB (although not in this case)  to join the party with any reasonable 2 cards when you have AK in you hand? Why wouldn't you want to protect it and by 3btetting to find out a bit more info about your opponent's holdings?
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2011, 04:51:08 PM »

Folding is fine, you need to be right a way high percentage of the time and i don't see it.

Betting the flop is good imo. What makes you think it's so terrible?

If UTG raise, we?

If UTG raises and we flat and he barrels turn and river are we just c/c?

If UTG raises do we 3b the flop? If he 4bs do we fold?

Donking the flop OOP inflates the pot and makes it so much harder to play our hand.

^^ That's not a very good analysis on why we shouldn't bet the flop

This doesn't look like a board that the OR is going to be cbetting very often. OP is betting his hand for value (as the point of poker is to win money not to pot control), our hand is likely best and there are worse possible hands which'll call so i don't get your thought process. Taking the initiative >>>>> c/calling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results orientated replies
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2011, 04:59:05 PM »

Folding is fine, you need to be right a way high percentage of the time and i don't see it.

Betting the flop is good imo. What makes you think it's so terrible?

If UTG raise, we?

If UTG raises and we flat and he barrels turn and river are we just c/c?

If UTG raises do we 3b the flop? If he 4bs do we fold?

Donking the flop OOP inflates the pot and makes it so much harder to play our hand.

^^ That's not a very good analysis on why we shouldn't bet the flop

This doesn't look like a board that the OR is going to be cbetting very often. OP is betting his hand for value (as the point of poker is to win money not to pot control), our hand is likely best and there are worse possible hands which'll call so i don't get your thought process. Taking the initiative >>>>> c/calling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results orientated replies

You don't think this board hits an UTG's c betting range? Seriously?

If we're betting the flop and turn thinking we're ahead, how can we fold the river?
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