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piestack
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3 hands hlep required
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June 26, 2011, 11:14:40 PM »
HAND 1 - is the call ok?
30% steal from co
40% fold to 3bet, 25% 4bet
42% fold to 3bet (2/6 in 3bet pots)
BTN $229.40 (114.7 bb)
SB $296.70 (148.4 bb)
Hero (BB) $217 (108.5 bb)
UTG $215.80 (107.9 bb)
MP $180 (90 bb)
CO $200 (100 bb)
Preflop
Hero is BB with
2 folds,
CO raises to $6
, 2 folds,
Hero raises to $22
, CO calls $16
Flop
($45)
(2 players)
Hero bets $24
, CO calls $24
Turn
($93)
(2 players)
Hero bets $46
,
CO raises to $154 and is all-in
, Hero calls $108
HAND 2 - get it in on flop vs unknown?
unknown raiser and nittish csish reg caller (20/17, 50% fold to cbet and turn bet)
Hero (CO) $298.55 (149.3 bb)
BTN $200 (100 bb)
SB $90 (45 bb)
BB $200 (100 bb)
UTG $200 (100 bb)
MP $207.35 (103.7 bb)
Preflop
Hero is CO with
2 folds,
Hero raises to $6
, BTN calls $6,
SB folds
, BB calls $4
Flop
($19)
(3 players)
BB checks,
Hero bets $12
, BTN calls $12,
BB raises to $42
, Hero calls $30, BTN calls $30
Turn
($145)
(3 players)
BB bets $152 and is all-in
,
Hero folds
, BTN calls $152 and is all-in
HAND 3 - i really wanted to fold.
23/20
co steal 24%
58% fold, 13% 4bet
7/9 fold to cbet in 3bet pot
0/5 fold to turn cbet. bet in pos on turn 1/3
BTN $249.90 (125 bb)
Hero (SB) $244 (122 bb)
BB $266.45 (133.2 bb)
UTG $238.95 (119.5 bb)
MP $286.15 (143.1 bb)
CO $200 (100 bb)
Preflop
Hero is SB with
2 folds,
CO raises to $6
,
BTN folds
,
Hero raises to $20
,
BB folds
, CO calls $14
Flop
($42)
(2 players)
Hero bets $22
, CO calls $22
Turn
($86)
(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
River
($86)
(2 players)
Hero bets $64
,
CO raises to $158 and is all-in
,
Hero???
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Rupert
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 26, 2011, 11:20:05 PM »
I prob check turn in hand 1 not sure we are getting value from a ton of stuff we look rly strong, I guess it's KQ specifically we are trying to get more money in against. The way you played it is fine too tho.
Hand 2 is easy flop fold to the raise
Hand 3 is easy river call as played pretty weird line tho from you
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 26, 2011, 11:28:49 PM »
hand 1) i prob c/jam turn, or if he checks back value bet river, or go for double check and hope he goes for thin value. although i think he just trys to get to showdown with a bunch of hands so id check turn with intention of jamming or betting river if he chekcs back turn.
hand 2) fold flop when he raises for sure
hand 3) peel pre flop we're closing the action, although i undertsand from his stats that its pribably a good spot to do this with a wide range, i'd rpefer something that flops well though, like a k10, kq, j8s kinda hand, i'd still peel my small pairs. river is an easy b/call. i dont really like your bet size though, I think I'd bet 24-32 to try to get him to turn weak showdowns into bluffs
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 27, 2011, 12:58:00 AM »
1) c/jam turn
2) as above, easily fold to the flop raise
3) river is a snap ldo, just cooler obv. what pleno said bout pre is all good.
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 27, 2011, 01:08:24 AM »
if you think he's going to 4 bet you then 33 is a really good hand to 3b/5b bluff with however if you think he's going to peel you a lot then it really sucks
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 27, 2011, 08:26:09 AM »
1) agree with everything said. not IN LOVE with picking this specific hand to 3bet unless you're image is such that he'll be snap letting KQ/KJ/AT etc go, if you're 3bet vs steal% isn't silly high then its cool
2) yes fold flop, also dont mind cking the flop, I think when you chk here you rep kinda mid-strength showdown so BTN will prolly be less inclined to stab and we get a free card, and there are a ton of reasons why people might start stabbing 9's and K's OTT if you bink. as for wether we're c/c of c/f its kinda close, if it goes bet, call its a call 100%, depending on your view of the btn and he sizing would determine wether im folding or calling the flop to him if the BB folds, most of the time will be a fold.
3) don't like the river sizing much, his range is pretty weak and Im struggling to think what he's calling $64 with even tho you kinda rep fuck all also, I think due to how FOS your hand looks I like pleno's line of a much smaller bet, you rep either 99/A8 etc going for super thin value, or missed blue cards/straight draws trying to force the very bottom of his range out, could merrily snap any raise of here. as played I think your river bet looks so strong that I can;t see himjamming much less than a boat, problem is we're getting a lil over 5/2, he COULD potentially be jamming worse for value and we're kinda repping nothing, even though this is a spot with our river bet where we just always accidently have it even tho we're not repping it. meh call I guess, disagree its a snap I think its a sigh call personally, but think folding has the potential to be a huge mistake where calling can;t really ever be.
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 27, 2011, 09:20:23 PM »
preflop:
i thought calling pre with small pp's from steals was generally a bad idea? so how can i flat call with it pre?
(understood that i need to pay attention to their fold to raise stat more as raising with small pp is bad vs that sort, and doing it with high cards is better(?))
hand 3, i bet big because if he's heroing he'll do it for larger amount too. his raise indicates a house surely?
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 27, 2011, 10:16:08 PM »
Quote from: piestack on June 27, 2011, 09:20:23 PM
preflop:
i thought calling pre with small pp's from steals was generally a bad idea? so how can i flat call with it pre?
eh?? why would this be a bad idea? doing anything but flatting seems to be a bad idea to me...
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 27, 2011, 10:58:29 PM »
folding is fine depending on player
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Quote from: TightEnd on December 16, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 28, 2011, 12:57:17 AM »
Quote from: cambridgealex on June 27, 2011, 10:16:08 PM
Quote from: piestack on June 27, 2011, 09:20:23 PM
preflop:
i thought calling pre with small pp's from steals was generally a bad idea? so how can i flat call with it pre?
eh?? why would this be a bad idea? doing anything but flatting seems to be a bad idea to me...
makes it more difficult to play as you have to start bluffing lots of flops since you get paid infrequently when you hit. also have to then consider what other hands to flat with otherwise it becomes easier to play against you. then if you start flatting with more hands which are good you're losing value there. i think.
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 28, 2011, 09:24:29 AM »
its funny because a live player would never ever consider folding a purrrr to one raise in any game I've ever played in
(inc me obv:P )
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Quote from: TightEnd on December 16, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 28, 2011, 12:34:23 PM »
i presume thats cos you get paid way more often when you do hit, making calling superior
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 28, 2011, 01:31:06 PM »
Yeh I'd never ever fold a pair live to one raise. Unless it was on the 32straddle or something...
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 28, 2011, 06:44:18 PM »
Quote from: piestack on June 28, 2011, 12:57:17 AM
Quote from: cambridgealex on June 27, 2011, 10:16:08 PM
Quote from: piestack on June 27, 2011, 09:20:23 PM
preflop:
i thought calling pre with small pp's from steals was generally a bad idea? so how can i flat call with it pre?
eh?? why would this be a bad idea? doing anything but flatting seems to be a bad idea to me...
makes it more difficult to play as you have to start bluffing lots of flops since you get paid infrequently when you hit. also have to then consider what other hands to flat with otherwise it becomes easier to play against you. then if you start flatting with more hands which are good you're losing value there. i think.
I agree, I think 33 is an abso fine hand to 3bet vs someone with a high LP steal%, gong to have to be prepared to be 5bet jamming a decent amount tho otherwise we're kind of burning equity. If we're playing someone with a high 4b% then I like it a lot, if it's someone who doesn't fold to 3b's or 4b THAT wide I think i'd just fold.
Flatting 33 from the SB in that hand is terrible, if the pot was gtd to be 3 or 4 handed I don't mind it at all
A big mistake I think a lot of NL players make is 3betting to wide form the blinds, and using people's high LP PFR/Steal%'s as an excuse, because regardless of us knowing someone is opening super wide from LP, it's still often going to be more profitable for them to open
than for us to 3bet or call
Quote from: piestack on June 27, 2011, 09:20:23 PM
hand 3,
i bet big because if he's heroing he'll do it for larger amount too
. his raise indicates a house surely?
disagree here, his range should be extremely weak, so we have a much better chance of a call with a smaller bet, there is nothing in this hand to suggest his calling range is in anyway inelastic to your river sizing. Also I think we can snap a raise off if we bet small.
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Re: 3 hands hlep required
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June 28, 2011, 09:02:21 PM »
i think if he doesn't bet on the turn he has showdown value and wants to call (or has the nuts). as my line looks fos i think he should call quite wide.
that said, i do think i bet too big.
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