Deepstack day two exit

[cambridgealex]

First orbit of Day 2. New faces, no history with anyone, so I'll include all info gathered in the first orbit.

We start with exactly 20bigs. which is 48k @ 1200/2400. Avg stack 70k. 68 left, 36 paid.

I fold 3 hands in middle position, one of which villain raises bvb and takes it down. Villain is young, handles chips confidently and looks comfortable and confident. Playing 90k.

Then get dealt  UTG and make it 5k. Villian 3bets to 15200 from middle position. I folded.

Next hand, I'm in the bb for 2400, and have 40k back. which = 16.6 big blinds.

UTG+1 opens for 5100, has raised 7k before and folded to a 27k shove. Villain 3bets again to 15500.

We do a little sick as we squeeze  in the big blind. I shoved. Would've folded TT and AQss. Thoughts on everything please. Tell me also if I'm being results orientated because I suspect I am.

[George2Loose]

Totally results orientated. Not sure tens or AQ are folds in this spot either. Nor am I sure of your open with AQ and fold to his 3 bet.

Then again I never fold so probs best asking someone else

[SuuPRlim]

unusual that he 3bets so big.

JAM JJ for sure, the AQo looks like a good fold to me

[DMorgan]

We do a little sick dance as we squeeze  in the big blind.

Yes you're being results oriented

[cambridgealex]

so do we think it likely that villain is 3betting EP opens 2 hands on the trot without a strong holding?

i kno online this is totally banal, but live i cant help thinking that this guy wont be light here ever. maybe TT, maybe AQ probs just flats even those, but cant see him showing up with worse often...

[MC]

[  ] folding JJ here

[Solaris]

I'm shocked you raised/folded AQ with 20bbs. That's made my head explode.

[George2Loose]

so do we think it likely that villain is 3betting EP opens 2 hands on the trot without a strong holding?

i kno online this is totally banal, but live i cant help thinking that this guy wont be light here ever. maybe TT, maybe AQ probs just flats even those, but cant see him showing up with worse often...

Maybe he knows the table knows he can never be light here so cos he knows this he 3 bets 54 off.

Seriously tho Alex, you have a Jack and a Jack with 16 bigs. What more do you want?

[cambridgealex]

I'm shocked you raised/folded AQ with 20bbs. That's made my head explode.

Not raise folding 20bigs very often ofc, but this spot seemed fine live.

Villain seemed good enough to know that my range in that spot is super strong. I would've folded AJ and 88. So can't see him 3betting light enough to make 4b shoving AQo here profitable.

[cambridgealex]

so do we think it likely that villain is 3betting EP opens 2 hands on the trot without a strong holding?

i kno online this is totally banal, but live i cant help thinking that this guy wont be light here ever. maybe TT, maybe AQ probs just flats even those, but cant see him showing up with worse often...

Maybe he knows the table knows he can never be light here so cos he knows this he 3 bets 54 off.

Seriously tho Alex, you have a Jack and a Jack with 16 bigs. What more do you want?

Queen and Queen, King and King, Ace and Ace or Ace and King?

[George2Loose]

so do we think it likely that villain is 3betting EP opens 2 hands on the trot without a strong holding?

i kno online this is totally banal, but live i cant help thinking that this guy wont be light here ever. maybe TT, maybe AQ probs just flats even those, but cant see him showing up with worse often...

Maybe he knows the table knows he can never be light here so cos he knows this he 3 bets 54 off.

Seriously tho Alex, you have a Jack and a Jack with 16 bigs. What more do you want?

Queen and Queen, King and King, Ace and Ace or Ace and King?

But Q and a Q loses. So add that to your folding range in this spot in future . And no point in calling for a chop with KK in case ep has AA

[Solaris]

I'm shocked you raised/folded AQ with 20bbs. That's made my head explode.

Not raise folding 20bigs very often ofc, but this spot seemed fine live.

Villain seemed good enough to know that my range in that spot is super strong. I would've folded AJ and 88. So can't see him 3betting light enough to make 4b shoving AQo here profitable.

wat

He has 4 hand combo's that have you in trouble. That's it.

You have AQo vs a young, competent player who 3 betting range is going to be wider than most live players so raise/f AQo is terrible imo.

I might be wrong, but I'd be amazed if people think that play is standard.

[George2Loose]

I'm shocked you raised/folded AQ with 20bbs. That's made my head explode.

Not raise folding 20bigs very often ofc, but this spot seemed fine live.

Villain seemed good enough to know that my range in that spot is super strong. I would've folded AJ and 88. So can't see him 3betting light enough to make 4b shoving AQo here profitable.

wat

He has 4 hand combo's that have you in trouble. That's it.

You have AQo vs a young, competent player who 3 betting range is going to be wider than most live players so raise/f AQo is terrible imo.

I might be wrong, but I'd be amazed if people think that play is standard.

Don't think AQ is a snap here. What Alex is saying is that because villian is decent he knows Alex's range is narrow here. I reckon most of the time we're flipping in this spot.

[Rupert]

I think villain is unlikely to be 3 betting light here so I'm pretty scared!

[Solaris]

I'm shocked you raised/folded AQ with 20bbs. That's made my head explode.

Not raise folding 20bigs very often ofc, but this spot seemed fine live.

Villain seemed good enough to know that my range in that spot is super strong. I would've folded AJ and 88. So can't see him 3betting light enough to make 4b shoving AQo here profitable.

wat

He has 4 hand combo's that have you in trouble. That's it.

You have AQo vs a young, competent player who 3 betting range is going to be wider than most live players so raise/f AQo is terrible imo.

I might be wrong, but I'd be amazed if people think that play is standard.

Don't think AQ is a snap here. What Alex is saying is that because villian is decent he knows Alex's range is narrow here. I reckon most of the time we're flipping in this spot.

Whilst he's UTG, Alex's range should be any pair (assuming he doesn't limp), A10s+, KQs (maybe?). It's perfectly legitimate for villain to be 3 betting 88+ AJs+ looking to get it in to win a flip. If he's remotely decent, he's not going to be flatting pairs to someone with Alex's stack size as it's virtually impossible to play the hand post-flop.